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Title: Scottish lochs-fly patterns
Post by: oxo on November 28, 2003, 10:56:48 PM
What about scottish lochs fly patterns page
Here's an excellent bob fly I made myself that works well on dull and bright days as long as there is is a good choppy surface on the loch.
Hook: 10-14
Tail: daylight fluo red
Body: gold lurex
Body Hackle: Red game cock
Rib: fine gold wire
Head Hackle: Red game cock tied in first and then a couple of turns of Guinea fowl hackle fibres.
Title: Scottish lochs-fly patterns
Post by: Wildfisher on November 28, 2003, 11:17:38 PM
:idea:

Welcome to the  forum  Oxo,  many thanks for visiting the site and signing the guestbook.  Yes, I think that is a great idea. I am thinking about a ?patterns page?, perhaps even with some photos. I?ll do that as soon as I can.  In the meantime, I?ll add a new page to this forum especially for loch flies (and one for rivers) as you suggest.  Good stuff, keep posting!

One fly that did very well for the wild trout,   for both myself and my regular fishing pal this past season was the pearly black pennel in size 12 and 14.  There was one in a Trout and Salmon magazine freebee in the spring and it sat in my box unused until September. I wish I had tried it earlier as it caught a lot of fish on Loch na Bo and on Lochindorb  as well as some other places.

Hook: 12-14
Tail: golden pheasant tippets
Body: silver pearly lurex
Rib: fine silver wire (just for strength)
Hackle: Black Hen

Simple but effective. Leave off the tail and you have got a pearly black spider which apparently is equally good!

Cheers

Fred
Title: the silver rib on the pearly black spider
Post by: Wildfisher on November 29, 2003, 08:59:02 AM
:?:

Allan, I put the fine silver wire rib on just to extend the life of the fly as I find  that the pearl lurex rips off after a few fish. Do you think it makes a difference to the fish catching properties if the wire rib is there or not?  If it does what else could be done to extend the life in place of the rib?

Cheers Fred
Title: re : to rib or not to rib
Post by: Wildfisher on November 29, 2003, 04:50:34 PM
Hamish,

Thanks for that. Yes,  you are of course right. I really will have to attend one of these Haddo fly sessions, worth it just for the social  aspect and the banter I hear.   :)   I also believe  that Mike B.  makes a really grand  cup of tea into the bargain, the kettle is never off it seems   :D .  My pal John who you met at the ?dapping evening? also ties his palmer hackles as you do, I tend to wind them the other way and hold then in place with the rib. It makes sense, I think, that your method would be stronger as they are tied at both ends with the rib providing extra strength.

I?ll try that super glue trick too, perhaps put a wee bit under the lurex when I tie these pearly spiders.

If I put enough on,  maybe I?ll lose less fish. God, what am I saying? Now I?m trying to  glue the buggers on!    :lol:

Thanks for visiting the site by the way, keep posting!

All the best Fred
Title: tatty flies
Post by: Wildfisher on December 01, 2003, 03:16:40 PM
Allan,  You certainly have a point there. Often it?s the most tatty, chewed-up flies that take the fish. Actually one of the most common problems with shop bought flies is they are too heavily dressed. Especially  for river use and need a good  ?chew? before you use them.
Title: Scottish lochs-fly patterns
Post by: Pearly Invicta on April 29, 2004, 02:44:15 PM
Pearly Invicta, Pearly Pennels- fished them all last season and now I've started usining Pearly PTNs and Hares Lugs! I've become addicted to pearly flees. Luckily, so have the troots.
Pearly pennel was my most succesful flee last year- seems to do well in very clear water.
Title: pearly tinsel
Post by: Wildfisher on April 29, 2004, 03:45:13 PM
Pearly Invicta,

You are right there mate! These pearly flies are some fish takers. I have been doing some experiments just adding a bit of pearly / holographic tinsel  to other flies and it definitely does the trick on its day. Last week at Lochindorb, the pearly black pennel wsa the best fly by far. I reckon it is the pearly / holographic cheeks that makes Stan Headley?s  ?  hogs such good fish takers.
Title: Mauler
Post by: breac on May 24, 2004, 08:33:16 PM
We call this one the Mauler, I was given one from an old boy from Monifieth, who I had out fishing , therewas no name mentioned
Tail;tippets
Body;peacock herl
Hackles:one red game & One Black back to back and palmered
rib:oval silver
wing; Magpie center tail
Hooksize 10 Or 12
it fishes well on the top dropper
We called it so because it has taken a few fish over the years I use it on a cast with Invicta point and claret bumble middle
also tie a Zulu with a Purple Hackle in front instead of a blue one it works well up here, thats one of me own,breac :wink:
Title: Re: Mauler
Post by: Wildfisher on May 24, 2004, 10:44:53 PM
Breac ,

What colour is magpie centre  tail and how is it tied in?
Title: Scottish lochs-fly patterns
Post by: Wildfisher on May 24, 2004, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: pocamanR***bow  

No bad language here please pocaman,  there are sensitive souls about!   :lol:
Title: Magpie
Post by: breac on May 25, 2004, 08:42:33 PM
Its a sort of blue,black green metallic colour and 2 slips are tied in for wings similar to butcher wings but this strange bluey blacky green I gave some to pocaman and other friends and they all catch fish on it,
Heres another one of my own that works
Tail:Topping
Body: Claret Dyed peacock herl
rib: oval silver
hackle: Claret Cock 3 turns
fore hackle: 2 turns of" hen de leon" in front
fished on the point works well in some of our lochs, Breac :wink:
Title: Scottish lochs-fly patterns
Post by: Wildfisher on May 26, 2004, 09:23:37 AM
what on earth  is hen de leon ?    :lol:

a hen fae leon ?  :lol:

what colour is it?  :?

On a light  note : this   brings to mind some of these patterns in the fishing magazines  e.g.

The Money-Spinner :

Tail : three strands of wild Nepalese pheasant tail.
Body : lightly dubbed  Outer Mongolian crag goat underbelly
Rib : Gold plated oval titanium wire.
Hackle : Dodo wing coverlet.
Wing : Great Auk primary.

With a foot-note that all these materials   while hard to get cannot be substituted by anything  similar or the effect is totally  lost, however, all   are available at vast expense from the author. Apparently  that new fly fishing magazine that came out last year is particularly bad for this.

Signed a cynical old bastard.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Scottish lochs-fly patterns
Post by: Wildfisher on May 27, 2004, 09:07:43 AM
Thanks for that Steve, I believe I have something similar.
Title: Breac's Maulers in the morning hatch
Post by: Wildfisher on May 27, 2004, 10:42:54 AM
This photo was supplied by pocaman (Steve)

(http://www.wildfisher.co.uk/fishing/generalpictures/morning%20hatch%20003.jpg)
The Morning Hatch

Breac?s Maulers are at the top of the picture

The bottom flies use hen de leon
Title: Scottish lochs-fly patterns
Post by: Pearly Invicta on May 27, 2004, 11:53:00 AM
Apparently  that new fly fishing magazine that came out last year is particularly bad for this.

It is. I bought a great plastic carrier bag at  the game fair last year for a pound. Imagine my disappointment when I got home and found a copy of Total Flyfishing inside.
Title: Hen de leon
Post by: breac on May 27, 2004, 09:57:40 PM
evidently The leon series of flies have been tied in Espana for many years I got the chance of the cape from Lakeland Fly fishing, Pocaman & I do abit of swapping,  I have been a fly  tyer for about 40 yrs and used to grow me own capes, so I am really taken by a lot of the new Feathers and
capes on the Market, I used to buy special capes from a bloke near Edinburgh called Frank Elder who was one of the first selective breeders,
wrote a book called the" book of the hackle",he sold some super iron blue capes and the best Coch-y-bondhu capes I ever saw, but he couldn't get a cape like the hoffman capes, Those were the days,  but I think we have a wider choice now, and better hooks, 8)  Breac
Title: Lion Hair
Post by: breac on May 29, 2004, 12:01:23 PM
As a rider to "the money spinner" I have a pal who has some hair  reputed to be from a lions scrotum, he is looking for a suitable pattern to use it on, :lol: Breac
Title: cast wallet
Post by: breac on June 19, 2004, 02:49:24 PM
I think that pal of mine with the lion hair was trying to get the scrotum for a cast wallet, Now thers a conversation stopper :D Breac