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Re: Casting short distances...

Started by Wildfisher, September 25, 2006, 06:51:48 PM

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Wildfisher

Earlier this season I felt the same when fishing the Don with my 10 foot #5. Just did not seem to be loading the   rod well at short distances. I thought this was odd as in the old days on the buns of my youth  I was fishing a short line most of the time. Moved down to an 8 ?  foot #4  and felt much more in control. I guess with some effort I could have loaded the 10 footer better on shirt lines but hell, catching fish on the  Don is effort enough!  Besides it gave me a new toy to play with!!!  I like the idea of Wyatt's technique of letting line out downstream and letting the flow load the rod for the forward cast. No false casting to spook fish and I reckon I and others do that a lot on the Don. I really have to improve and widen my casting repertoire

V-4

Once you've got the desired length of line isn't a roll cast the simplest solution here?

Not that I'm any expert or anything! (Just ask Swithun- he saw my efforts in Norway!)

Regards
Tim

Pearly Invicta

No, I'm the same Swithun. I just can't get the technique quite right- but would love to.

V-4

This sounds like the Crask expedition is likely to be one long roll-casting lesson!

Tim

Ptinid

FWIW, most of my short casts (and there are many), are with a small rod and, particularly, a DT line. I've used a WF line with a small (8'6 or below) rod and did not like the result at all. With a short line, the front taper on the Wf was not enough to load the rod properly, and I found that delicate casts at slightly greater distances were difficult.

Some of the shortest casts are, of course, made with no line through the top ring at all, just the fly and the leader - but that's short line nymphing and usually no more than a few feet away. Generally, my short casts (within about 5m) are done with a roll cast (cos otherwise the trees will eat my line). I just can't do that with a WF line.

It has always been my private conviction that any man who pits his intelligence against a fish and loses has it coming.  ~John Steinbeck

Clan Ford

Yer right Ptnid, weight forward lines are nae use on wee rods for shot casts - infact I reckon they are nae use for any sort of dry fly river fishing.  I just cant get on with them at all.  Most of my fishing is done at short range and I can't say I have many problems casting a very short line on either my 7'6" or 9' (5wt) rods with a double taper line.


Fishtales

Quote from: Ptinid on September 27, 2006, 11:07:29 PM
FWIW, most of my short casts (and there are many), are with a small rod and, particularly, a DT line. I've used a WF line with a small (8'6 or below) rod and did not like the result at all. With a short line, the front taper on the Wf was not enough to load the rod properly, and I found that delicate casts at slightly greater distances were difficult.

Some of the shortest casts are, of course, made with no line through the top ring at all, just the fly and the leader - but that's short line nymphing and usually no more than a few feet away. Generally, my short casts (within about 5m) are done with a roll cast (cos otherwise the trees will eat my line). I just can't do that with a WF line.




Why? The first 30 feet of a DT is the same as the first 30 feet of a WF. The difference only comes in when you go over that and you get to the running line on the WF whereas with the DT you are still on the belly and as you get more of it out of the tip ring you begin to overload the rod. On short casts it makes no difference. If you consistently cast short lengths of 15 feet or so then go up a line weight or two above the rating for the rod. The shorter length of the heavier line will load the rod as if it was the correct line. I have a #5 8ft rod and use a #5WF floater for bigger rivers where I have to cast farther, and use a #7WF for short casts on small ones, I can't do long casts though or it overloads the rod. I can roll cast, switch cast and on my 10' #7 with a WF floater I can lift off, change direction and cast with the belly and part of the running line out to cover a rising fish after casting in the opposite direction. It isn't pretty and only works some of the time, but it can be done.
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Richy

Swithun,

If your waitin till Paul gets up then it will be around tenish as he likes to cuddle the feathers  :lol: :lol:

Paul, Im still waitin for you to make the "Breckie"  :lol: :lol:

All the best Acesleeper

Richy

Clan Ford

Fishtales,

What you say is all true in theory but I think in practice (and maybe it just the lines I've tried) the the WF profile seems to be a "thicker" towards the end of the line than a double taper.  I just cant seem to cast so well with them but thats probably due to years casting a double taper about 5 yards!  Just got  used to the "feel" of the line and the WF's feel heavy and cumbersome in comparison. 

Fishtales

The weight of any line that gives it the AFTMA number is in the first 30 feet. That is the same for WF, DT, floating or sinking. The only difference is in the profile and sinkers are thinner in diameter.

Have a read at this.

http://www.sexyloops.com/beginners/lesson2/aftm.shtml

http://www.common-cents.info/part3.pdf
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