Have been looking into lodge renting as a few friends would like to spend a week in the highlands.
Decided to inquire further into Faig Lodge as its brand spanking new and would maybe suit the party overall as it would be a mixed group in attendance.
From a previous post they were quoting in the region of £2000 to £3000 per weeks stay no cook involved for that price!
Couple of boats on Loch Faig with outboards and fuel included. I did ask if there was salmon fishing on the River Faig and she said yes?????
Don't think that gets a run anymore unless I'm wrong.
Included a few photos that have been sent through to me and to say the least not impressed at all with the furniture as it looks as if it's been flung together.
For a high season price of £3k for basic brown trout fishing for me it's just too steep in price and I think they will struggle to fill the place at that price.
I'm maybe looking for too much for my £3k
Mind this place will sleep 12
A few photos sent through
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it might sleep 12, but where will they sit, the whole place seems a wee bit bare an cold looking, does not seem to have any warmth about it :shock:
Have to agree its a bit bare to say this least and mind this is bandy fishing not world class trout fishing ! Just interested to hear the lads views
Quote from: superscot on October 07, 2014, 07:14:18 PM
Just interested to hear the lads views
It's got a nice stag's heid. :lol:
QuoteIt's got a nice stag's heid
shakes heid !!!!
I don't think the fishing there is especially good, certainly not any better than anywhere else in the northern highlands. I have not fished Loch Fiag, but I know folk who have and they caught the standard small fish you might expect from an acidic loch. The river is OK fr trout if there is water.
Eight years back I stayed at the new Balgy Lodge with a group of ten or so.
Much better value than that showing at Fiag and much better fishings too.
The river is full of trout and I was broken by one but as said already, its a lot of money for bandies.
Interior could do with some soft furnishings :gay4 but its not enough to justify the cash.
Billy
QuoteWhat about Rhidorroch?
That does look nice and some salmon fishing included, the thing about Loch Faig is a hell of a price for basically trout fishing and
not exactly limestone water class.
Be interesting to see how the lets go as she plans to up a web page soon, but for me just way over priced for what your getting.
http://www.georgegoldsmith.com/properties/kinlochmoidart-house (http://www.georgegoldsmith.com/properties/kinlochmoidart-house)
Never stayed in it, only parked in the grounds, but the people who own it are very nice and the husband is very knowledgeable and helpful as far as the fishing goes. George and I have been in the kitchen though and had tea/coffee, fresh baked rolls and venison, scones and chocolate biscuits while we chatted to himself and the housekeeper :)
Looks like an IKEA showroom. Not for me!
From one extreme to another !!!!! Must be in the wrong job ! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Forget Scotland, it's second rate at best and far too expensive. For a mere 3.5K you can have 4 weeks in New Zealand all in, best trout fishing in the world and not be in Scotland in the depths of winter. :8)
Quote from: guest on October 08, 2014, 10:43:55 PM
Personally I prefer decent fishing first and five star accommodation second.
This place has endless fishing opportunities and is clean, spacious and won't break the bank at £16 night
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where is this for £16 per per night
Quote from: Fishtales on October 08, 2014, 09:38:19 PM
http://www.georgegoldsmith.com/properties/kinlochmoidart-house (http://www.georgegoldsmith.com/properties/kinlochmoidart-house)
Never stayed in it, only parked in the grounds, but the people who own it are very nice and the husband is very knowledgeable and helpful as far as the fishing goes. George and I have been in the kitchen though and had tea/coffee, fresh baked rolls and venison, scones and chocolate biscuits while we chatted to himself and the housekeeper :)
you seem like the kind of guy who would get a piece at anybodys door :P
Quote from: admin on October 10, 2014, 06:45:56 PM
Forget Scotland, it's second rate at best and far too expensive. For a mere 3.5K you can have 4 weeks in New Zealand all in, best trout fishing in the world and not be in Scotland in the depths of winter. :8)
Scotland second rate? dont think so! :?
Quote from: loch coulter on October 10, 2014, 10:32:55 PM
Scotland second rate? dont think so! :?
I thought that too until I discovered what first rate really was.
Quote from: admin on October 10, 2014, 06:45:56 PM
Forget Scotland, it's second rate at best and far too expensive. For a mere 3.5K you can have 4 weeks in New Zealand all in, best trout fishing in the world and not be in Scotland in the depths of winter. :8)
Have to disagree with that a wee bit Fred :) Scottish fishing may not be considered great by international standards but I don't think it needs to be viewed so negatively. If technically challenging sight fishing for large but relatively scarce trout is your thing then Scottish/British trout fishing may well seem second rate. That's however a pretty subjective judgement from a fairly narrow viewpoint and not a matter of fact for me and I'd guess many others. Many of the things I enjoy in life may be judged second rate by the standards of other people and places but so long as I'm content/happy that's the main thing; I have the choice to improve and explore as far as my enjoyment, inclination, abilities and means allow.
If one day I'm fortunate enough to experience the superb fishing in New Zealand or elsewhere I really hope it doesn't cause me to start thinking of Scottish/British fishing as second rate.
When it comes to Scottish trout fishing, to quote the Mrs Doyle character from Father Ted – ''Maybe I like the misery'' :lol:
I'm not knocking it John, just looking at it realistically through non tartan tinted sunglasses :lol: It is second rate by international standards. It is fine for workaday angling, there is loads of it and I'm very gad to have it, but if you are thinking about spending the sums mentioned earlier in this thread you will get far better value going abroad and getting something special and memorable for your money.
I do not go ski-ing, but it is sort of similar. Scottish ski-ing is crap by international standards - but you get a blue-sky day over the back of Cairngorm on the plateau and wow that is a great day out. Same applies to ice climbing here. Crap by European standards but a good day on the Ben every winter and it lives in your head for ever. Tent by a loch, trout in the pan .... lovely.
Quote from: Bobfly on October 12, 2014, 07:29:22 PM
I do not go ski-ing, but it is sort of similar.
I used to go skiing many years ago and that's a very good analogy. I have skied in Italy, Austria and Scotland. Scottish skiing is fine, it can be good for a day trip and it's certainly better than nothing, but you would be nuts spending 1000s on a holiday. If it's whumper runs you're after you go to The Alps. :8)
I cannot comment on the quality of NZ fishing, never having been there. But I can comment on the value for money aspects of this debate.
The NZ trip quoted comes out at £125 per day all in.
Fiag is £35, but add travel and food.
The castle is £227 all in, add travel, but you get guides, plus shooting.
Quote from: guest on October 13, 2014, 07:15:19 PM
I'm thinking yoiu can get some of the best fishing in scotland for £16 night self catering - plenty room - permits about £10 or free on the wilder lochs.
Agreed. If it's just fishing you're after there is no need to pay these ridiculous prices. It's very poor value for money.
If you want to go slightly "up market" hire Corriekinloch. £400 divided by 5 = £80 a head for 7 nights! Add another £20 or so to cover heating oil and electricity. You will get access to far better waters than your will get at Fiag Lodge. CK is traditional, more like a proper Scottish lodge and less like an Ikea showroom. There is some pretty decent Scottish "standard" trout fishing comes with it and some above "standard" if you are prepared to walk and climb a bit.
Stock up with food and ale at Tesco in Inverness. Sorted! :8)
scourie hotel: £80/night, en-suite room with dinner, breakfast & fishing. and a bar with real ales. can't knock it!
It has to be all about the fishing for sure. Uninspiring pretty much sums up loch fishing anywhere for me these days and I've more or less abandoned highland fishing holidays, certainly for the time being. I'd be more inclined to head for the borders or over to the Clyde or Annan.
Quote from: admin on October 12, 2014, 12:06:31 PM
I'm not knocking it John, just looking at it realistically through non tartan tinted sunglasses :lol: It is second rate by international standards. It is fine for workaday angling, there is loads of it and I'm very gad to have it, but if you are thinking about spending the sums mentioned earlier in this thread you will get far better value going abroad and getting something special and memorable for your money.
I don't think many groups of international angling tourists will have a Scottish lodge on the shortlist along with NZ, BC, Patagonia etc :lol: No matter the tints on my sunglasses though, I don't think Scottish (or any countries) fishing deserves to be described as second rate - whether you stay in a lodge or a tent :)
Quote from: admin on October 12, 2014, 07:51:49 PM
I used to go skiing many years ago and that's a very good analogy. I have skied in Italy, Austria and Scotland. Scottish skiing is fine, it can be good for a day trip and it's certainly better than nothing, but you would be nuts spending 1000s on a holiday. If it's whumper runs you're after you go to The Alps. :8)
But would you then call Scottish Skiing (or mountains/mountaineering for similar reasons) second rate :)
Quote from: Part-time on October 14, 2014, 12:23:13 AM
I don't think many groups of international angling tourists will have a Scottish lodge on the shortlist along with NZ, BC, Patagonia etc :lol: No matter the tints on my sunglasses though, I don't think Scottish (or any countries) fishing deserves to be described as second rate - whether you stay in a lodge or a tent :)
completely agree with you John. a lot of negativity on here and, frankly i'm surprised at some of the comments. I thought the whole "wild fishing" thing was to do with being in fantastic places with beautiful scenery and maybe, just maybe the chance of a truly wild fish, no matter how big or how many. or how much you spend. the quality of that experience will depend on a number of factors, not the least being what you bring to it, whether as a companion to others or just in the tranquility of your own thoughts and observations.
Quote from: Part-time on October 14, 2014, 12:27:30 AM
But would you then call Scottish Skiing (or mountains/mountaineering for similar reasons) second rate :)
Having skied in the Alps, been in the Southern Alps and The Himalayas, yes I would. This does not mean I don't like Scottish hills, skiing or fishing, its just I have no illusions about where they stand in the world order.
Few loved Scotland and the Scottish hills more than the late Tom Weir and few put it better than he did. He wrote that traveling to the great mountain ranges of the world allowed him to put Scotland into perspective.
here's one for you guys desperate to spend some wedge.....
http://www.flyfishdreamer.com/packages/helicopter (http://www.flyfishdreamer.com/packages/helicopter)
fiag lodge looks like a bargain now, eh? :lol:
I could've gone to spain for two months for that....
Scotland's remote hill lochs requires a helicopter trip :lol: who's the threesome for etchachan next year then :D
Chris
Quote from: lnelson20 on October 14, 2014, 03:09:01 PM
Scotland's remote hill lochs requires a helicopter trip :lol: who's the threesome for etchachan next year then :D
Chris
rugged snow capped peaks and "untold amounts" of "trout that may never have been flyfished for...." in lochs that "would take days on foot to get into". where do I sign?
Helicopter trips for bandy lochs!
I wonder if they use a very small helicopter? :lol:
i'd expect a feckin' Mi-26 for that, Fred! although to be honest i'd prefer 2 months in spain.... :8)
I don't expect they will have to expand the fleet to cope with the demand or be overwhelmed by repeat business. :D
Quote from: corsican dave on October 14, 2014, 03:30:46 PM
to be honest i'd prefer 2 months in spain.... :8)
Now you are making sense. :8)
I fancy that myself. Got to be better than spending the money in some midgie infested glen.
I don't expect the Helicopter will get used much at that price, had a wee rumage through the web site and they are not cheap at all.
Seems you now go on SAFARI for wild brown trout ! 4 nights sleeping in a tent for £1500 per person yer having a laugh ! Sorry forgot yer picked up in a 4X4 ....Must be in the wrong game !
Quote from: corsican dave on October 14, 2014, 03:21:13 PM
rugged snow capped peaks
Sounds to me as if they are they flying their clients to the French Alps.
I don't think I view Scottish fishing (or hills or skiiing) and its place in the world that differently from you Fred its just your use of the term 'second rate' that I think is unduly negative. No need to pretend our fishing is something more than it is but I would worry someone thinking about visiting Scotland for some fishing and reading this thread might be put off even if it were just camping they had in mind - sorry for going on about this again :)
OK John, point taken although, to be controversial once again, I could hardly care less about anglers choosing not to visit Scotland - in fact if they are going to end up on "my" waters I'd rather they didn't :lol:
Quote from: admin on October 19, 2014, 11:14:04 AM
OK John, point taken although, to be controversial once again, I could hardly care less about anglers choosing not to visit Scotland - in fact if they are going to end up on "my" waters I'd rather they didn't :lol:
hope the New Zealand anglers dont feel the same :?
I'm sure there will be those among them who worry about extra fishing pressure from visitors. I certainly would if Scottish fishing was up there in the world premier league like theirs.
Goodness Liam, you sound like a 1960s American conservative. "Go live in Russia" :lol:
You just have to make the best of what you have. It's second rate, no denying but it's what we have and we are stuck with it. It is better than England though, I'll grant you that. :lol:
From what I have seen on the forum, the season alone, Scotland can produce fish to match anywhere in the world. There may be a smaller percentage of better fish in the population, but to me that just makes its more rewarding when you find them. For the main part the vast majority of our fishing is easily accessible and reasonable safe.
I have not been fortunate enough to fish a "world class" destination such as New Zealand, so admittedly may not be seeing the full picture. However I agree with John, it may well be a different type of fishing but I believe our fishing is pretty damn good.
Maybe we should introduce some foreign fish that would thrive In our more hospitable waters Fred and we too could have some 'world class' fishing ;) I'm about ready to give up with all the second rate stuff on offer at the moment!
We already have and it didn't work Andy. They ended up as bandies too. :lol:
On a serious note the price of accommodation is crazy, I'm amazed that they don't price themselves out of business, someone must be willing to pay it though
I don't think they are really in the torn arse troot fisher marketplace Andy. :lol: It's not us they are after, they couldn't be, the fishing is mediocre there. They are probably more into the city gent and his family up for a week break and to whom money is not an issue
Quote from: Element on November 16, 2014, 08:52:01 PM
My two penneth...
Scotland may be second rate fishing & experience to some folks that have had the opportunity & perhaps privilage to visit other countries and fished & experienced them. However, the greater majority back here in Scotland that have never been to other countries fishing (for trout) are less likely to mark Scotland as second rate; primarily given that they haven't eaten from another pie..
Stunningly gorgeous weather year round, midgies, clegs, ticks, peat hag bogs and more often bandies than minor whumpers... makes it whit it is. I look forward to another season of it next year. :D
E.
Some of you will know that I've spent a lot of time fishing in New Zealand over the last 15 years, with a couple of trips to Canada thrown in, so I've seen some pretty good fishing.
A couple of years ago Fred and Riverchatter swanned off to NZ while I being skint, stayed at home. The consolation prize for me was that I got to spend three weeks river fishing in Scotland during late spring - prime time.
I had three weeks of world class fishing in Scotland in the season of my life and although I haven't kept a diary, I know that I had fish to 5lb 8oz, 12 trout over 4lb with lots over 3lb and I had a lot of fish over the season (I fished a lot) with a ridiculous average size. The high average size was largely due to only casting to rising or sighted fish.
Now, okay that season was truly exceptional in Scottish terms, but I would have been very happy with that result in New Zealand. Even my Kiwi pals were impressed and told me so when I saw them in 2013.
To be realistic, while we do have some great fishing for big fish on rivers and lochs, that is not the norm. What we do have in abundance is lots of waters and lots of fish. That is the bread and butter .
NZ is to be honest, incomparable as the number of waters with a very high average size is mind blowing. That is why you meet so many anglers from Europe, Asia, Australia and America there. They obviously think their waters are second rate :)
QuoteI don't think they are really in the torn arse troot fisher marketplace Andy. :lol: It's not us they are after, they couldn't be, the fishing is mediocre there. They are probably more into the city gent and his family up for a week break and to whom money is not an issue
That sounds about right.
Alex
QuoteScotland may be second rate fishing & experience to some folks that have had the opportunity & perhaps privilage to visit other countries and fished & experienced them. However, the greater majority back here in Scotland that have never been to other countries fishing (for trout) are less likely to mark Scotland as second rate; primarily given that they haven't eaten from another pie..
Stunningly gorgeous weather year round, midgies, clegs, ticks, peat hag bogs and more often bandies than minor whumpers... makes it whit it is. I look forward to another season of it next year.
I totally agree, whilst some foreign destination are but a dream for some I think that on occasion we have fishing that would match the best anywhere. The fishing here is what it is hard but if you are selective good fishing can still be had.
Tight Lines
Scottish fishing is fine. A bit like Lidl, loads of it, pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap. That's not an insult, I shop at Lidl too and the products are fine.
From April until October there is nowhere I'd rather be than on the banks of the local river. It's good, not world class, but still good.
What saddens me is we did have a world class west highland sea trout fishery but we have allowed Scottish politicians to destroy.
We destroyed our salmon rivers too. It's a shame self interest seems to take precedence. I do have some hope. The Brown trout in our rivers are very high quality so long may that last. Also places like south uist and other far flung places still have quality .
Indeed we did Paul. Our Atlantic salmon fishing was once up there with the best. The Kiwis are in the process of f*****g up their own fishing right now, with poor farming practices. That said they have a way to go before they get to our level.