I note that Stan The Man is holding fly tying classes in Fife that are for
"experienced tiers" I just wonder who the instructors will be.
:roll:
Why the plural "instructors"?
"There can be only one."
- as "Highlander" you should know that!
Quote from: Highlander on October 30, 2010, 06:16:54 PM
I just wonder who the instructors will be.
instructor
s?
Surely if run by Stan there can only be one instructor. There should be no need for another.
Incidentally does Stan hold any fly tying certificates, qualifications etc?
Quote from: admin on October 30, 2010, 06:24:24 PM
Incidentally does Stan hold any fly tying certificates, qualifications etc?
Omniscience should cover it.
I reckon Stan will run a damned good fly tying class. He is without doubt a first class tier and innovative in his pattern design. Yes I know some are not too keen on his articles etc (a lot of envy there IMO) but lets give credit where it is due. If I lived closer I'd go along and support it. Stan is a well known author, gets lots of articles published and is quite obliviously in demand. He must be doing something right.
He walks the walk while others just talk the talk
In other words he actually does things and that's a quality I admire.
Maybe but I'd argue not, it was an evolution. There was a superb fly tier called Peter Scott, a writer for Fly Fishing and Fly Tying, and known to a few on this forum that came up with the concept of shaving the underside of a long haired muddler, one with the tips of the deer hair spread along the shank. This fly sat right in the surface and was a superb sedge imitation and very, very similar to the sedgehog. He first tied this to my certain knowledge about 17-18 years ago. Alberto may remember his demonstration of this fly.
Quote from: Malcolm on October 30, 2010, 11:42:23 PM
There was a superb fly tier called Peter Scott,
Now there was a master at the art. I was fortunate enough to see a few demonstrations by him at a club I used to attend - a fair few years ago now mind. Is he still plying his craft?
Andrew
as Malcolm says it was an evolution.i was handed a fly in the early nineties by an Orcadian angler who told me it was doing great things in Orkney it was called the Hedgehog.basically a sedgehog without the hackle.even further back when a new angling club was being formed in 1983 .it was named the hedgehog angling club because of a fly we used back then which Bill Martindale who managed the lake of Mentieth, christened the hedgehog when he saw it.every time he saw the guys in the car park he would shout here come the hedgehogs.I'm sure many people have used similar flies in the past but did not publicise it.
Garry
I am afraid Peter passed away some years ago. He ran a small fly tackle enterprise from his house in Clydebank. In later years,though he himself was not old he ceased to tie & fish & sold all his kit. I never seen him later on & I found out he had gone long after it had happened. I fished with him many years ago on the Endrick & his flies were quite superb tyings especially his wee shrimps. He was resident PRO at the now defunct Glasgow Fly Dressers at Notre Dame High School which I frequented for a couple of sessions until a parting of the ways. I remember his hair sedge & whilst not tied the same way gave the self same impression of the later Sedge Hog. Whether Mr Headley got the idea from that I do not know. Unlike Fred I do not rate him as "a first class tier". Many of his articles/books portray other peoples work & I am hard pushed to have actually seen some of his own stuff. Good luck to him any way but not my kind of guy I have to say.
Tight Lines
I think that's pretty much it Garry. However, many folk even call hedgehogs sedgehogs now. It has become a generic term. It's a testimony to the impact Stan has had.
theres no mention of sedgehogs on the orkney trout fishers website :worms :lol:
Garry
Quote from: garryh on October 31, 2010, 12:24:18 AM
theres no mention of sedgehogs on the orkney trout fishers website :worms :lol:
really? :lol:
Love him or loath him, you certainly notice him.
I will go as it close to me (when I am not in Wyoming that is). I am sure I will learn something and that is all I really care about. politics and attitude are for other people. I am an open book for others to autograph. Just call me grasshopper!
Well said Ian. I'd be there with you if I lived closer. Like it or not Stan has had a big influence on Scottish trout fishing and fly tying. Being a shrinking violet gets you nowhere and Stan is certainly not that. Personally I don't agree with some of the stuff he writes, but to deny his influence is churlish. Just my opinion of course. On more than one occasion I have seen Bruce Sandison being ridiculed and attacked on a certain forum and it was not pleasant to read. Envy is not nice, it's destructive. Let's not descend into the gutter with them. :?
Quote from: Highlander on October 31, 2010, 12:16:30 AM
I am afraid Peter passed away some years ago. . . . . . . . I fished with him many years ago on the Endrick & his flies were quite superb tyings especially his wee shrimps.
Really sorry to hear that - hell of a nice guy, and regularly went out of his way to help a bunch of youngsters, as we were then. I still have one of his red-spot shrimps in my box, and a beautifully tied deer-hair sedge - never fished it, but it's just too well tied to ever throw away.
Andrew
Quote from: admin on October 31, 2010, 08:01:52 AM
Like it or not Stan has had a big influence on Scottish trout fishing and fly tying. Being a shrinking violet gets you nowhere and Stan is certainly not that. Personally I don't agree with some of the stuff he writes, but to deny his influence is churlish. Just my opinion of course.
I'd echo that. Can't help feeling as well that sometines someone's public image isn't an exact reflection of what they might be like in 'normal' everyday life. Sometimes what he writes, and the way in which he does it, probably doesn't endear him to folk and perhaps doesn't come across too well, but then it sells and if you're one of the few folk that can actually make a living from fishing I guess you've got to make it sell.
Yes, I would guess that everyone in the UK who fly fishes knows Stan, so from that you have to say he is effective.
I seem to remember he was invited to join the Ferox85 group some years ago where membership is by invitation only. They most certainly do not invite just anyone to join and Stan being a fly fisher makes it all the more remarkable.
A well known American actor once said. "let 'em love you or hate you, but never just be OK" - or words to that effect.
So well known in fact I have forgotten who it was, so perhaps it doesn't work. :lol:
Quote from: Alan on October 31, 2010, 05:22:52 PM
has Stan ever been a member?
No, but I am sure he would be valuable contributor.
Quote from: Tweed on October 31, 2010, 02:42:44 PM
Can't help feeling as well that sometines someone's public image isn't an exact reflection of what they might be like in 'normal' everyday life.
Very true. In my past charity employment I met any number of "celebrity" supporters, patrons, guest speakers etc.
Almost invairiably the public persona is the exact opposite of the private persona. One of Britain's best loved comic actresses is a complete pain in the butt, requiring a private loo- which the Queen does not (contrary to popular legend). The Princess Royal (despite my politics) is a down to earth, roll up the sleeves and get on with it Patron. That she does not suffer fools gladly is a positive attribute.
Many folks are astounded to learn that one of my ex-colleagues is Matthew Kelly's wife.
And whilst I am name-dropping, did I ever tell you that I once danced with Jamie Leigh Curtis?
Possibly another reason why some well known, perhaps forthright, fishing celebrities such as Stan avoid forums is that they may be subjected to needless harassment from the envy brigade.
Quote from: Alan on October 31, 2010, 06:03:52 PM
who's Mathew Kelly?
One of Stan's many deadly fly patterns? :lol:
Quote from: Alan on October 31, 2010, 06:03:52 PM
who's Mathew Kelly?
Can't remember, but he sends me a Christmas card. Did I ever tell you that I once danced with.....?
Quote from: Ardbeg on October 31, 2010, 06:15:51 PM
Was that you with the muscles in True Lies then?
Ardbeg
No, but I once dance with.....
Quote from: Alan on October 31, 2010, 06:38:26 PM
never mind Jamie Lee Curtis, or whoever it is, have you fondled Stans flies?
No, I have not had that honour.
But there is a rumour that I might be spending a couple of days in a boat with him next season.
Deckchairs will be available (at a reasonable price) by the lochside such that you may watch.
He might even join me in a dance, but it would not be as good as the time I danced with.....
Oh, and for the Google experts, I have also danced with J Morrison-Schwartz and Lady Haden-Guest.
But not, yet, with Stan.
Quote from: Inchlaggan on October 31, 2010, 06:42:38 PM
But there is a rumour that I might be spending a couple of days in a boat with him next season.
Stan?s magnificence notwithstanding, I feel that after Jamie Lee Curtis you could be in for a bit of a crash landing here.
Allow me to explain further
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Are you getting my drift?
Quote from: breac uaig on November 01, 2010, 04:05:57 PM
What is it with J L Curtis and flies? :8) breac uaig
Who cares?
Do you want pictures of perfectly tied PR's or pictures of perfectly formed JLC on the forum?
By the way, did I tell you that I once danced with......
Mathew Kelly has a wife?
Quote from: aliferste on November 01, 2010, 08:23:01 PM
Mathew Kelly has a wife?
Oh yes, of many, many years, son, daughter and grandchild.
Very "straight" guy.
Do not let the public persona confuse you.