Was wanting to kno what material others are using for shucks for upwinged flies, Poly yarn, etc. John Goddard used blond fur (what is it , who makes it?) in his klinkhammer style fly. Other suggestions were things like summer duck.Anyway i'm looking to improve on poly yarn ,what do you use?
I used Crystal Flash on my suspender nymph. I would suggest anything light and translucent. I have used Nymph Glass in the past too.
Hi Col,
I currently use poly yarn, not found anything better. In the past have experimented with plastic, monofilament, all sorts of flashy stuff and feathers. I just thin the yarn down to an appropriate size and sometimes tie a wee knot in it.
Norm
Perhaps the old golden pheasant crest used on the older patterns worked as a shuck? Can’t think what else it might have been taken for
Poly for me.
I noticed a poly-yarn "tail" made a big difference to my sedges, despite the fact that sedges have neither a tail nor keep a shuck (they hatch so quickly). The yarn" tail" was in fact probably a fair representation of a wing.
If you look at a sedge from below, it is long and slim and the body occupies only the front third of the sillhouette. The rest is the wing and translucent.
Alex
Quoteperhaps a balloon caddis with a poly yarn tail is the answer
Col, I found it (the poly yarn tailed job) really effective on the Lanarkshire Avon a couple of years ago.
Alex
A cinnamon sort of shade is what I have been using.
Alex
Posted in wrong place . Moved.
Hi Col,
Yes, you've got the idea of the knot spot on.
Norm
Looks lovely Col, but it also looks like it may be a one-cast fly (leader twist).
If you can solve the spinner (but not a leader spinner) problem, I would be most interested. I have ideas, but they involve CDC.
Let us know how it goes.
Alex
Col,
I first used the knotted shuck, years ago on wee tiny dries on the WoL. Moved on to using them on Klinks, just as you suggested but last season had a few difficult fish on emerger style flies where i was hoping the shuck was fishing under the surface. I'm not convinced that the yarn sinks though so not sure if I was really managing the effect I was after but the troots didn't seem to mind!
Norm
QuoteCol and Steve proudly present " A' Fish like Wunda".
:lol: :lol: You should be in advertising, Ardbeg. Brilliant.
Col,
As i posted in another thread, I've always had a problem with getting a non-spinning , spinner pattern. How do you tie your poly wing rusty spinner?
Alex
Col that's a crackin lookin fly.
I'd say it would do some damage on my local, the Tyne in East Lothian.
QuoteIve entered a rusty spinner in the fly database. Wings secured with a simple figure of eight. This is mike weavers pattern his book "the pursuit of wild trout" (apart from the tail)here is the link for the fly database. cant see the microfibbet tail all that well in the picture's.
http://www.wild-fishing-scotland.co.uk/flydatabase/locationdetail.php?loc=1861
Thanks Col. I'll give it a try.
I lost a flybox with all my wee dries last season, so I'm going to be busy tying over the winter.
The Wunda Dun looks good too. I wunda how durable the stuff is :lol:
QuoteThink i know where your going with the cdc alex A dubbing loop thorax?
I hadn't really come up with a design for a CDC spinner. I just thought the CDC would tend to fold while being cast, rather than twist the leader.
Alex
Quotewunda dun sounds like a wundaful name for it.
Credit to Ardbeg. He started it. I'll take 30% in royalties though. :lol:
I hope the stuff lasts well. It could well have a few applications.
Alex
That looks good Col. Is it a single wing?
alex
Thanks Col. I'll use that technique when I eventually get around to replacing my lost flies.
Alex
There is only one problem with the poly-yarn, as it is intrinsically hydrophobic, it tends to float. This can mess up your presentation.
TL
MC
I use poly yarn all the time, not noticed it floating (especially when I want it to) :?
Norm
Quote from: col on December 09, 2007, 06:03:45 PM
Ive just tank tested the above flee. The body and shuck cuts the surface when dropped from a foot no bother :D. Perhaps it benefits in this respect from the slim flexi floss body.
Col
The burnt bit at the tip may help too.
I've used twinkle in the same way, though the tips don't bond together too well. Weak furling works OK too.
I'm convinced the body of large Klinks ( when tied with some of the more sombre shades of Flyrite) represents a shuck in many cases, and the herl thorax, post and hackle represent the rest of the fly stuck there in the meniscus. It might explain why it works so well in large sizes. That's why I don't add shucks to large Klinks.
Any thoughts?
.D.
Quote from: col on December 09, 2007, 06:03:45 PM
Ive just tank tested the above flee. The body and shuck cuts the surface when dropped from a foot no bother :D. Perhaps it benefits in this respect from the slim flexi floss body.
Col
If it works well, great. I dressed some sunk abdomen flies using chopped poly-yarn, quite a while ago now, and I could not get them to sink!
TL
MC
Quote from: .D. on December 09, 2007, 06:12:17 PM
I'm convinced the body of large Klinks ( when tied with some of the more sombre shades of Flyrite) represents a shuck in many cases, and the herl thorax, post and hackle represent the rest of the fly stuck there in the meniscus. It might explain why it works so well in large sizes. That's why I don't add shucks to large Klinks.
Any thoughts?
.D.
Indeed, I agree with that completely. I believe the Klink represents a hatching midge better than anything else.
TL
MC
The fly Col came up with is almost exactly the fly that Harelug and I did so well with this year in olive hatches.
Col's fly is tied round the bend, so the shuck is forced under the surface, whilst my version is tied on a standard hook (the Krystalflash shuck/tail sits in the surface film).
It occurs to me that for next season, it would be worth tying up both versions as different options during a hatch and for those more difficult fish.
Thanks Col.