Purple in Trout flies.

[Brook]

Hi All,
Does Anyone use or had any success with flies containing Purple?
Asked My Mate to pick Me up some Claret SLF,from the tackle shop,He came back with Purple.
Was thinking a palmered wet fly maybe,or some Hoppers.
Thanks Kev.

[deergravy]

I'm guessing your mate doesn't tie flies?
Alan, who's on here and with whom I fish a lot, still calls the Claret Sedgehog the Purple sedgehog - I've given up trying to correct him :roll:

Anyway, purple's worth a try I'd think, but send him back and make sure he gets claret this time!

(BTW, the flies are on their way, I aint forgotten

Dave

[Brook]

Thanks Dave,
Yep,He doesn't tie flies,but it's 100 miles away,He was passing that way.In His car,it would be an £86 bag of SLF.
Like the look of it though,so I'll tie some up.The problem is,You never try these trial ties till Your blanking.
Kev.

[haresear]

Scotty9 has had some good wild rainbows on a big purple zonker in NZ. Also, grouse and purple is a fairly well known traditional wet fly for brownies.

Alex

[Darwin]

I wont fish the lakes without purple wooly buggers, purple Luigi or a purple wulff.

[Traditionalist]

I use the snipe and purple a lot in various circumstances, also a purple woolly bugger now and again.  Both flies are consistently successful in certain conditions, ( less so in others ),  The Purple WB does well for me when there is good colour on the water,  Doesn't work as well when the water is clear. It is (or has been for me ) more successful than various other colours, including black. Black works OK in clear water.  I don't use any flies with purple dubbing ( The purple WB uses a purple hackle and tail, at least the one I use does) after a row of extended experiments some years ago where I did try a range, they weren't very successful although they caught a few fish, but nowhere near as many as I caught using other flies.  This is also undoubtedly due to the conditions, there are not many small purple naturals, ( with the snipe and purple dressed with silk it looks black when wet although it is obviously different because the same fly dressed with black silk is nowhere near as effective), where I fish. It may well be different elsewhere.  I have seen quite a large number of purple flies over the years, and have tried a few myself, but claret is much more effective in my experience, especially as dubbing.

TL
MC

[Malcolm]

Snipe and purple is a superb fly. It's caught me a hell of a lot of fish. Works best in small sizes.

A fair number of salmon flies use purple but it doesn't seem to work well locally as a colour.

[Highlander]

Purple fur is not a well used colour in Trout flies. Why I have no idea & other than the old Grouse & Purple I would be hard pushed to name  one other. Used a Purple coloured fur body imitation of a prawn for Salmon years back. Never caught on it but the person that gave me the pattern swore by it on the Allan Water at the back end.
For what it is worth & on an aside there are far better furs than SLF out there. For Trout flies 12s & over I still stick to dyed Seal Fur below than below that size dyed Rabbit or Possum & best of all for really small flies is dyed Mole or Musk Rat but lots of new things out there I have not tried.

The Malloch has a stripped quill body & the Snipe & purple has a body of floss

Tight Lines

[Traditionalist]

Definitely agree on the dark claret, ( but a mix is usually better. I.E. light, medium and dark).  No idea about the "Blue" theory, but blue flies sometimes work very well although are apparently not often used.

The haemoglobin point is one of my core theories and has been for a long time. An excerpt from an old article;

FLY COLOURS

Over the years, I have thought a very great deal about this, and also read as much about it as I possibly could. In many cases the so called "trigger" effect of a certain fly was known, but why it worked was not. There are a number of flies, like the Orange Quill for instance, which I already mentioned, where the reason for the special effectivity under certain circumstances only became known by accident.

It may work under other circumstances, but under the specific conditions where the spinners are lying in the film and glowing orange against the slanting evening sunlight it is deadly effective. These are cases where the reason is apparent even to human eyes and perception, once it is known. Until it is known, it may simply not be apparent. These "accidents" are of enormous potential, as the reason for one certain thing may well also be the reason for other things. Since I started using orange hackle, overdyed black, for many terrestrials, I have been very considerably more successful when using them. Adding some orange in some way to many flies, including various wet flies, has also proved successful. In this case, the reason for the effectiveness is only visible when one is actually looking for it.

If one holds such a hackle up to the light, then the orange "glow" shines through the hackle. The effect is more or less identical to the effect one sees when looking through the chitinous apparently solid dark exoskeleton of many terrestrials, and other insects, including many aquatics. The colour orange is indeed practically a universal constant of chitinous insect bodies, under certain specific conditions. Although in the vast majority of cases, it is by no means apparent.

Countless words have been written about what trout see, and how they may see it, some are interesting and useful, but after having read a very large number of these, I still often revert to my own pet theories on this.There is no way to know what a trout actually perceives, but it is often quite simple to find out what one may perceive oneself, given the right conditions for doing so. Many such conditions are by no means obvious. Of course, once somebody has indeed conclusively correlated a certain appearance with certain conditions, and a certain effectiveness, it all seems so remarkably simple. As indeed the case of the orange quill very lucidly demonstrates.

It is my contention that the same applies to a large number of things. Chartreuse Clousers for instance. We don´t know why a Chartreuse Clouser should be so universally effective, but we know it is. Disregarding for the moment that one reason why so many fish are caught on them is that there are thousands of people using them all the time, there must still be some specific reason for them being more universally effective than any other colour chosen more or less at random. One theory here is that they are extremely visible. So are other colours, so that can not really be the main reason, although this is indeed possible. They must have some specific property or properties which makes them more attractive. The "jigging" or other similar action is also known to attract fish of itself. Even a lump of metal or plastic will take fish when worked correctly in such a fashion, as it gives the illusion of life. Especially correctly tied sparse Clousers, are even more effective. Why should this be so?

Whatever the reason, or combination of reasons for the success of such flies, it is still not known. The fly was tied more or less on the whim of its inventor, without knowing why it would work, or even if it would work. The results were almost certainly far beyond his wildest hopes and expectations. But still nobody really knows why. I firmly believe that we will some day know why, and indeed be able to use the knowledge specifically for other things.

Back to the orange quills again for the moment. In many cases, I think that positive triggers are important ( only in the sense of making flies look more like the natural and not "triggers" as such!), but I also think that the absence of negative triggers can be even more important! Many of the terrestrials and other flies I once dressed and used, were dressed with natural black hackle. I caught fish on them, but not as many, and especially on dry flies I had a great many refusals. Presumably to wet flies as well, but this is of course a very great deal harder to detect. Nevertheless, I projected my results on to my wet flies as well, and it works very well. Some were dressed with dyed hackle etc, although I usually tried hard to avoid this. Results were mixed to say the least.

Only after a long time playing around, reading, studying, watching fish turn way from certain flies more often than from others, I began to take far more notice of the basic properties of my materials. Although I fondly imagined that I had been extremely painstaking before, this was apparently not the case. As we have seen, and can easily prove at will, many insects have an orange glow when viewed against strong light. Normally, just holding them up to the light on any given day suffices to show this. I started doing this with many of my flies and materials. One or two things became fairly obvious after a while. Many of the flies tied with natural black hackle, contrary to traditional and other widespread opinion, which said that natural materials were superior to dyed materials, were refused.

Black hackles with a touch of brown, which also shows orange against daylight, especially greenwell, furnace, and similar hackles, were refused far less often. Cree and similar broken hackles were very rarely refused, grizzle hackles combined with brown hackles were also very rarely refused, and wonder of wonders, orange or light brown hackles, overdyed black, seemed to be refused least of all! If one studies most natural black hackles against the light they are not black at all but anything from dark grey to dark blue. Many dyed black hackles also have a bluish cast. These hackles are often refused by fish. The flies look identical in the box and in reflected light but against the light, there is very considerable difference. This does not of course apply to all flies, but to a pretty fair number. It also obviously applies to wet flies as well.

The translucence is present in all the flies, but some of the flies have the wrong colour of translucence, and thus are a negative trigger, or so different in appearance that they fall outside the fishes target image, and are thus refused. Sometimes, indeed quite often, solid coloured flies will work alright, and at other times poorly or not at all. Flies with the right translucence colour, and of course the other general attributes rerquired, work practically all the time! There are also one or two specific flies, which show similar though different characteristics. One such group, is flies that are translucent green.

Having tried a number of solid green patterns for imitating some small green caterpillars which were very prevalent at certain times on many trees on one of my home waters which were taken avidly by the fish, some of which caught fish and some which did not. I decided to ignore everything else first, and concentrate solely on reproducing this green translucence. The "appearance" of translucence, achieved by using clear waxed bright green silk worked quite well, but was still often refused.

Actual green translucence, achieved by winding a bright green dyed grizzly hackle along the body, and then clipping it short, was hardly ever refused, indeed, so rarely, that the occasions when it was refused could be put down to some other error of presentation. The same applied to chopped silk dubbing, and to seal fur dubbing. Oddly enough, one of my major dubbing standbys failed badly, namely dyed ( white) hare belly fur. It just did not work anywhere near as well as the others. Greatly encouraged by this, I decide to try larva lace, and a few other completely translucent materials. They were refused every time!!!!!

I tried these "green" experiments for a number of years, but always came to the same conclusions. The "hairy" "fuzzy" translucence was infinitely superior to the actual translucence of plastic etc. It may well be that this also provided miniscule movement, which the plastic did not. Although this failed to explain why the hare fur failed, perhaps it was "too mobile"? These are just a few thoughts on the matter, and my ruminations on these and other things are ongoing.

TL
MC

[Wildfisher]

there is also a theory that trout don't see blue as a colour, so purple to them is a pale red, which interestingly seems to work for sea trout.

I hear blue makes some Glaswegians see red too.  :lol: