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DHE How Low In The Water Should It Sit

Started by Wildfisher, July 06, 2006, 09:21:08 PM

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Wildfisher

Have  been tying up some DHE style flies  with a poly bead instead of a deer hair wing. Idea is to  produce a fly that is unsinkable but needs no gink. Usual thing, small poly-bead wrapped in   a bit of old nylon tights.

Tested them in a glass of water and, yes, they float correctly but also much lower  in the film than I ever imagined they would . Ginking the thorax had an effect, it  mainly cocked the fly back so it sat in a more vertical  position.

This prompted me to float test some real DHE tyings (with hair wings)  - same thing.

Two questions spring to mind. How low / high in the water should the fly sit and if it is very low, will the deer hair wing – or more  importantly for my experiment – the poly-bead spook the fish?

Fishtales

Depends if you are fishing it as a nymph or emerger I suppose. I've never found it a problem spooking fish that I know of :)

As you can see from this I don't scrimp on the foam either :)

Don't worry, be happy.
Sandy
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Wildfisher

I think in this case,  more foam might be less -  if you follow me. Keep it higher in the water and the fish see less of the foam?

Fishtales

I think sometimes they look on the foam as A) a bubble or B) wings, or maybe they just don't pay it any attention and ignore it :)
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Bob Wyatt

Hmmm, what happened to my reply to your post?  Lost it somehow.

Anyway, Fred, don't worry about the fly sinking, it's better sunk.  Just need something to sight on.

Havtafish

Remember while testing that the attached mono has a big effect on the attitude of the fly. Most of the time testing in a basin at home doesnt show you the true way it will sit while fishing it.

Wildfisher

Quote from: HavtafishRemember while testing that the attached mono has a big effect on the attitude of the fly. Most of the time testing in a basin at home doesnt show you the true way it will sit while fishing it.

That's true and it is a hell of a difficult thing to try to imitate in a glass of water! With nylon it woud almost certainly keep the fly higher and more level (depending on how the fly was tied on?)

Wildfisher

Quote from: Bob WyattHmmm, what happened to my reply to your post?  Lost it somehow.

Anyway, Fred, don't worry about the fly sinking, it's better sunk.  Just need something to sight on.

Bob, what I was concerned about was the fish seeing the wing hair – or in the case of my experimental fly the white of poly-bead. Do you believe the  bead  might be a problem? I suppose I could colour  the   underside of the bead with a marker pen, leaving the upper ? white to make it easier  for me to see

badger

Interesting idea with the foam there Fred. Are you just using those little polystyrene balls? Never tried them myself, but maybe will do.

I guess an extreme version of this situation would be a fly like these ones: http://www.sexyloops.com/picofday/flies/parasol.shtml

Maybe not for the purists but perhaps worth thinking about...

Wildfisher

Quote from: badgerInteresting idea with the foam there Fred. Are you just using those little polystyrene balls? Never tried them myself, but maybe will do.

I guess an extreme version of this situation would be a fly like these ones: http://www.sexyloops.com/picofday/flies/parasol.shtml

Maybe not for the purists but perhaps worth thinking about...

It's not an original. If you look at Sandy's floating nymph it's the same. Then there are all these suspender buzzers and things that use a similar idea. I am just wrapping  the ball in some old  nylon tights material and tying it in. It works really well (as far as the tying goes) and the fly can be tied in no time flat. Very fast. It's just  an attempt  to bring together different ideas (Bobs' DHE and a suspender buzzer in this case) to try to make everything as simple as possible and to make a totally  unsinkable fly.

I guess it's just thinking about your fishing – and that's ? the fun. If you don't do / try these things  it   might go  a bit  stale.  For me anyway!  :D

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