Pack Weight

[Allan Crawford]

Aye a mistake 
For the average time you should have included the time to walk down hill on the way home  :
Seriously now, as Alan says thats not that slow and works out at 1.93km/hr, for carrying a heavy pack up hill, if you were not on  some sort of path that could even be considered good.

[Allan Crawford]

For routes locally I already know the how long. I learned to map read whilst still in school so it's well ingrained, I use a piece of thread for distance and count the height contours then apply Naismith's rule, bingo, we have a time estimate  :tongue2

I used the edge of a piece of paper, started using Naismiths rule but later adjusted to metric, Naismiths didnt really work out so well but then I have short legs  :lol:

[Fishtales]

Aye a mistake 
For the average time you should have included the time to walk down hill on the way home  :
Seriously now, as Alan says thats not that slow and works out at 1.93km/hr, for carrying a heavy pack up hill, if you were not on  some sort of path that could even be considered good.

The bottom flay bit was forest road and the rest was a path, of sorts. Fred, and dug, were well ahead of me

The downhill isn't used because the pack is lighter and you tend to stop and admire the views that you were too knackered to look at on the way up

[Buanán]

The trick on down hill sections is to try and assess the terrain on the actual descent from the map, straight forwards stuff no difference, steep stuff + say 5 mins per 100m tricky steep stuff with rocks etc + 10 mins per 100m or more. 

[Fishtales]

Final weight for the rucksack is 19 Kilos. That is everything except the clothes I will be wearing; socks, boots, trousers, underwear and t-shirt; fly rod of course (296 gms) and Mono Pod/walking pole (796 gms); full water bottle 796 gms. The food has crept up to 6 Kilos as I am taking some different foods to see how they go. If they don't work out it will be back to noodles and cupasoups

So total weight, excluding worn clothes is 22 Kilos.

[Tweed]

Naismith's rule, for rough hill ground = 3kph (1.8mph) + 10 minutes per 100m of ascent.

I'd never heard of that.  I like it.  Thanks.

[Allan Crawford]

I'd never heard of that.  I like it.  Thanks.

I was sure it was faster than that and in mph  :?

[Inchlaggan]

For once, Wikipedia is quite helpful on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naismith's_rule

[Fishtales]

Having another look at that trip I put up there is a bit at the beginning missing, it was 5.4 Miles.

It was 4 hours up, 1.2 mph, and 2 hrs 20 mins down, 2.0 mph, same route.

[Buanán]

For once, Wikipedia is quite helpful on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naismith's_rule

5k ph for paths/ tracks, 3kph for rough hill, like I say I learned it at school, the finer points from Peter Cliff and Peter Main, the latter my mentor at the Tuesday Group, a school group the former started and remained associated with during my time, a group that was later fecked by Thatcher's slash and burn policy as this sort of thing wasn't valued as education, the irony is 30+ years on I'm still earning a living as an industrial climber, all be it mainly as a consultant these days, selling my services world wide. Sat here in Luton typing this on my phone awaiting my morning flight to punt my wares to the Romanians on the morrow, aye, she may have known the cost of outdoor ed, sure as shit didn't know the value of it