Hardy jet switch 8/9

[Wildfisher]

What the feck is a Triple Density.

Well,  obviously it's 1/2 as dense again as a Double Density. 

Makes me want to rush out and get one then log onto Fly Forums to argue  about it.   :lol:

[rannoch raider]

I think I agree with Highlander. I can't see the need for all this gear. In fact is it actually 'new gear' or are the tackle dealers just inventing new names to entice us into spending more of our pennies ?
What is the difference between a 'switch' rod and a sea trout rod of the same length and line weight ? Does it do something that another rod can't ?

I'm serious, I'd love to know what the difference is ?

[Wildfisher]

It's like ridiculously expensive feathers really, whatever you choose to spend your hard earned cash on is no one's  business except your own. 

Actually I love the relentless seekers of magic bullets, they are great sources of good quality tackle at knock down prices.  :

[speydulika]

To a vast number of anglers who lack the technical ability to lift a full sinking salmon line with a double handed rod triple density heads actually prove quite useful. The fact is not a lot of anglers want to pay for casting lessons electing instead to take advice usually poor advice from YouTube or from their own well meaning friends who are more often than not manifestly unqualified to offer advice. I don't wish to overly egg my own pudding but if more anglers sought professional tuition then modern equipment and techniques might be used to their full potential.  Whether some luddites choose to reside in a cave on the side of a mountain eating with their bare hands the fact of the matter is like it or lump it rod and line development has moved on a million years in the last decade. Dismissing this from a point of full understanding is something which I personally recommend and personally indulge in. Dismissing this from a point of sheer ignorance or fear of change or progress is something I see on an all too regular basis. Long ago I gave up trying to work out people's motives in this since all of the ones that I have considered smack of stupidity and I would not wish to call anybody stupid as we all have tenancies to make mistakes.  It is my sincerest wish that we all learn from them.

[corsican dave]

I have been known to use a cane rod occasionally, but my go-to rod is a sage specialist 10wt for pike. neither option makes me a better fisherman, but both are fun

bottom line for me is that there is no necessity for all the modern lines out there, but the fact that they might make your fishing more enjoyable justifies their existence. whether or not they're worth the money is entirely personal.

my modern technique consists of putting something that looks like food in front of any fish I can find, any way I can; provided i'm encumbered by the limitations of fly fishing gear. that's my idea of fun. and let's not kid ourselves, it has no deeper meaning than that. as a professional mountaineering instructor I can assure you that there's no deeper meaning to mountaineering, either. having modern gear doesn't make people better mountaineers.

I've used quite a lot of fly lines too.  :

[Highlander]

Forgive my dez rez cave & my filthy eating habits oh & my 50 years of game fishing with many Salmon to my rod. And here is me with my old Daiwa Osprey & Air Cel too. Can't be any good can they? A Luddite indeed I''l have you know I have never destroyed a machine in my life.
As to Hill Loch's question would it be more prudent other than what length the rod was to ascertain what type of rivers he intends to fish with his new rod. By the photos he has posted over the last few years they would seem to be in the main small spate rivers one I detect which I know fairly well looks like The Stinchar.
You go on about professional teaching but you do not say what qualifications you hold to back up that claim. (AAPGAI, STANIC ?) I noticed once in a post a while back you were quite scathing on some of your professional peers which is not really a good thing is it.. As for me I am quite happy in my ignorance & I wish you a good day & will say no more on the subject.

Tight Lines

[speydulika]

I have been known to use a cane rod occasionally, but my go-to rod is a sage specialist 10wt for pike. neither option makes me a better fisherman, but both are fun

bottom line for me is that there is no necessity for all the modern lines out there, but the fact that they might make your fishing more enjoyable justifies their existence. whether or not they're worth the money is entirely personal.

my modern technique consists of putting something that looks like food in front of any fish I can find, any way I can; provided i'm encumbered by the limitations of fly fishing gear. that's my idea of fun. and let's not kid ourselves, it has no deeper meaning than that. as a professional mountaineering instructor I can assure you that there's no deeper meaning to mountaineering, either. having modern gear doesn't make people better mountaineers.

I've used quite a lot of fly lines too.  :

I know absolutely nothing about mountaineering so am completely unqualified to comment. I fully accept your comment that having 'modern gear' does not make a better mountaineer.  I do feel however that it would be a little bit stupid of me to go out mountaineering without a full knowledge of how had gear works 

[speydulika]

Forgive my dez rez cave & my filthy eating habits oh & my 50 years of game fishing with many Salmon to my rod. And here is me with my old Daiwa Osprey & Air Cel too. Can't be any good can they? A Luddite indeed I''l have you know I have never destroyed a machine in my life.
As to Hill Loch's question would it be more prudent other than what length the rod was to ascertain what type of rivers he intends to fish with his new rod. By the photos he has posted over the last few years they would seem to be in the main small spate rivers one I detect which I know fairly well looks like The Stinchar.
You go on about professional teaching but you do not say what qualifications you hold to back up that claim. (AAPGAI, STANIC ?) I noticed once in a post a while back you were quite scathing on some of your professional peers which is not really a good thing is it.. As for me I am quite happy in my ignorance & I wish you a good day & will say no more on the subject.

Tight Lines

Just this once as it's Christmas I will give you some partial 'freebie' instruction. You don't have to pay me. I don't even suspect that you will thank me for it but that's ok by me.

It is primarily rod selection that should be determined by size of river. It is length of rod that ideally determines the length of head in the line. By the way the head is the chubby bit at the front and ahead of the running line. (The spindly bit at the back). As the rod had already been purchased then size of river is pretty much irrelevant. I think regardless of your 50 or 500 years of salmon fishing you might find it quite a challenge to cast a 65ft head with an 11ft rod even if you used a wonderful Daiwa. This is why switch lines developed for a specific purpose and Skagits designed for another specific purpose come into play. Skagits and some very short shooting heads will not readily cast overhead because the heads are so short and dumpy that the line will not aerialise readily. That is why I started out asking the questions I asked in my first answer. Something which I now completely regret as with the benefit of hindsight I really should have not involved myself in what has developed into quite a poisonous thread. As for saying no more on the matter? I readily welcome that 

[corsican dave]

I know absolutely nothing about mountaineering so am completely unqualified to comment. I fully accept your comment that having 'modern gear' does not make a better mountaineer.  I do feel however that it would be a little bit stupid of me to go out mountaineering without a full knowledge of how had gear works 

but going fishing without knowing how the line works isn't going to kill you  :

[SoldierPmr]

but going fishing without knowing how the line works isn't going to kill you  :

Unless you accidentally some how cast into power cables or your casting is so poor is wraps around your throat. I think I will go and get my risk assessment blank out and start writing one  :lol: