A post by Shad / Colin, gave me an idea.
Would it be feasible for forum members to put up a title of a book they wouldn't mind sharing / swapping with other forumites and then folk could pass on books they think are worth reading that others maybe wouldn't go out and buy otherwise ? I dare say it wouldn't have to be restricted to just fishing books as I have a few climbing books I wouldn't mind sharing.
Kind of like a Wild Fishing community library.
I think this might work here because most folk are known to or by someone whereas on other forums the system could get abused by the usual suspects.
What do others think or is this not possible due to copyright laws ?
don, i love the idea: but i love my books too much! no offence to anyone on the forum, but i've lent so many books over the years that either haven't been returned or have come back damaged, i just couldn't. my wife, on the other hand, would happily give away the lot... :lol: (mind you, that goes for the fishing tackle, too :roll:)
just as a matter of interest, there's always kindle. how does swapping (euphemism for "giving") kindle files suit? and how does the land lie wrt legality of this? i'm not a great "kindler" (see comment above), but i do have tales of fishes by zane grey and the essential guide to fly fishing in the asturias :8)
I lent a dinosaur comic to a guy when I was 5. I'm still waiting for the bastard to return it.
The experience left me deeply scarred. :lol:
Quote from: Alan on December 10, 2011, 09:36:06 PM
i'd imagine if anyone on the forum was happy to swap they would be happy to lend, a post asking if anyone had a particular thing might be simpler, no copywrite on lending books, the catch is you never see them again.
too true, i'm afraid. nice fag, by the way! :8)
Quote from: corsican dave on December 10, 2011, 09:25:14 PM
just as a matter of interest, there's always kindle. how does swapping (euphemism for "giving") kindle files suit? and how does the land lie wrt legality of this? i'm not a great "kindler" (see comment above), but i do have tales of fishes by zane grey and the essential guide to fly fishing in the asturias :8)
Can you do that with Kindle ? I'd have thought files would in some way be digitally protected preventing them being passed onto another machine once you'd bought them :?
Mike put up a link to this software.
http://calibre-ebook.com/download_windows (http://calibre-ebook.com/download_windows)
Any ebooks you have can be changed to most formats for reading. I have been using it for a few years now and have books on Kindle for PC, Sony Ereader, Calibre has its own viewer and my daughters iPad. I have books downloaded from Amazon, iTunes and a couple of the free libraries, these are mostly out of copyright fishing related, Mike has put up links to a lot of them as I have done over the years.
http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law (http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law)
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Quote from: Mike Connor on December 10, 2011, 10:21:50 PM
http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law (http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law)
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" 7.Restricted acts
It is an offence to perform any of the following acts without the consent of the owner:
Copy the work.
Rent, lend or issue copies of the work to the public.
Perform, broadcast or show the work in public.
Adapt the work. "On that basis then it must be legal to lend books to forum members as you wouldn't be lending / swapping with " the public " and would have to be a forum member to participate
It is illegal if the public has access, and the owner of the forum could well be liable for facilitating it. Arguing semantics wont do you any good in court. The summary penalty is 6 months prison and a fine of 5000 pounds. On conviction of any commercial use the penalty is up to ten years prison and an unlimited fine.
You are allowed to lend to "Friends and Family". You may also lend to others a SINGLE ORIGINAL of whatever the object is. You are not allowed to make a COPY of that work.
The copyright ( meaning the right to COPY) holder also has to enforce his own copyright, and this only works if he can prove financial damage.
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In that case Mike, Book Clubs, where the members meet to read, discuss and swap books, wouldn't be able to function.
Quote from: fishtales on December 10, 2011, 10:48:22 PM
In that case Mike, Book Clubs, where the members meet to read, discuss and swap books, wouldn't be able to function.
There are a lot of exceptions, including libraries, book clubs, etc. The main point being that you can not COPY or otherwise distribute various works and only a SINGLE ORIGINAL of any particular work may be lent or circulated.
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Quote from: Alan on December 10, 2011, 10:56:52 PM
Stan would prosecute :lol: Topically, the only books i have worth swopping were written by former and current members of the forum,
obviously all books would be second hand which makes this interesting, it would surely be legal to sell Donald a book, and for Donald to sell me a book, and for us to decide how much that exchange would be.
If you buy a book, or any other copyrighted work, it is then yours to do with as you please, just like any other object you buy. You can swap it, sell it, burn it etc. The only exceptions are that you may not COPY it or distribute it to anybody else without the express permission of the copyright owner.
Anything anybody writes is automatically copyright. However, you can not usually enforce this unless you have registered the copyright and sell the work or similar, because you can not prove financial damage.
If you copy somebody else's uncopyrighted work, that is basically plagiarism, and plagiarism is not illegal.
As long as the source is acknowledged it is also not plagiarism.
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Quote from: Alan on December 10, 2011, 10:56:52 PM
obviously all books would be second hand which makes this interesting, it would surely be legal to sell Donald a book, and for Donald to sell me a book, and for us to decide how much that exchange would be.
That must be the case because you can sell a 2nd or 3rd or 4th hand etc,. book on e-bay without difficulty. If selling a used book was illegal they wouldn't allow it !
As Mike has said as long as you are selling/lending the original book and you haven't copied it you are doing nothing wrong. It is when you sell/lend/or transmit a copy that you break the law.
You can sell any book, video, cd etc you own. What you must do is sell it in its entirety, so if you make a copy then sell the original (or the copy) you are breaking copyright law. In fact making a copy at all is dubious even if you keep it.
The answer is obvious. You just do what you want and keep quiet about it. :lol:
Anyone care to define "the public".
Quote from: Mike Connor on December 10, 2011, 11:00:45 PM
If you buy a book, or any other copyrighted work, it is then yours to do with as you please, just like any other object you buy. You can swap it, sell it, burn it etc. The only exceptions are that you may not COPY it or distribute it to anybody else.
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DEFINITION - pub·lic (pblk)
1. The community or the people as a whole.
2. A group of people sharing a common interest: the reading public.
3. Admirers or followers, especially of a famous person. See Usage Note at collective noun.
Definition 2 does seem to make it illegal for us as we could be defined as a group of people sharing a common interest - don't know how book clubs seem to be exempt though :?
Quote from: guest on December 10, 2011, 11:16:14 PM
DEFINITION - pub·lic (pblk)
1. The community or the people as a whole.
2. A group of people sharing a common interest: the reading public.
3. Admirers or followers, especially of a famous person. See Usage Note at collective noun.
Definition 2 does seem to make it illegal for us as we could be defined as a group of people sharing a common interest - don't know how book clubs seem to be exempt though :?
You can lend a book or books to a circle of friends, as long as only originals are lent.
More to the point here is that this idea seldom works, it has often been tried before without much success. The difficulty is in keeping things organised and making sure no books are lost. I don't lend any books anymore, I have lost too many over the years as a result of doing so.
You can also lend books on line. Basically this means you are loaned a copy of a certain book for a limited time, here's an example;
http://www.archive.org/download/http://www.archive.org/details/familycirclesgui00newa (http://www.archive.org/download/http://www.archive.org/details/familycirclesgui00newa)
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Quote from: Alan on December 10, 2011, 11:22:01 PM
plagiarism can be illegal, for example if you present yourself as the author, and breaks copywrite if offered for sale,
i think were getting carried away, you are allowed to give people books if you bought em, otherwise there would be no chrismas :P
Plagiarism is not a legal term and is not legally recognised.
http://www.bobbyelliott.com/Plagiarism.htm (http://www.bobbyelliott.com/Plagiarism.htm)
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Quote from: Alan on December 10, 2011, 11:22:01 PM
i think were getting carried away, you are allowed to give people books if you bought em, otherwise there would be no chrismas :P
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You don't need a copyright notice. The copyright notice is there for you to set out the usage rights for the published item whether it is a picture, sound byte or a novel. Everything you publish, whether on paper or the internet remains your copyright unless you sign over usage rights or agree to the publisher, either paper or internet, to use it as they see fit. This forum has a disclaimer stating that Fred can use anything posted on the site for the running of the site but not for any other use and that he can retain those items until such times as he no longer needs them or the forum closes. This is so that in the event of someone leaving he doesn't have to remove anything and cause discontinuity in threads that they have posted in. By signing up you automatically agree to these usage rights so that there is no need for any member to publish a copyright notice here. The poster still retains the copyright and can use those items published for his own use. Some publishers wont allow this and require full usage rights but the right to be identified as the publisher remains with the author. If the author produces something for a company who is paying him to do so as part of his job then the copyright belongs his employer and the author has no usage rights but must still be recognised as the author.
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