Magnus has sent me the results of those he hooked up to the Sage Analyser. They are in PDF form.
Would anyone object to their results being posted here? 8)
I am safe enough my technique is so unique it couldn't measure me :D
Those I have results for are
Allan, Mike, Paul, Peter, Doug, Kev and John
What do you say – or should I just post them anyway and humiliate the lot of you? :lol:
Post :D
I would be interested to see what it does, as I was messing about with rods while this was going on.
Alex
get them posted for all to see :) :) :)
Quote from: admin on October 30, 2007, 09:08:47 PM
Magnus has sent me the results of those he hooked up to the Sage Analyser. They are in PDF form.
Would anyone object to their results being posted here? 8)
I am safe enough my technique is so unique it couldn't measure me :D
Those I have results for are
Allan, Mike, Paul, Peter, Doug, Kev and John
What do you say ? or should I just post them anyway and humiliate the lot of you? :lol:
Publish and be damned sir!!! :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Ardbeg on October 30, 2007, 09:51:52 PM
Fred, Alan is ok to have his posted or is it Mr Liddles that Magnus has?.
Big Liddle's but I'm sure he won't mind - hell he even admits to fishing at Loch Insch so is obviously totally un-embarrassable :D
Quote from: Mike Barrio on October 30, 2007, 11:12:27 PM
That's fine with me Fred
If I am the "Mike" :P
It might give Peter a chance to get his own back over the video :lol:
Don't be too sure Mr B :D
Quote from: Ardbeg on October 30, 2007, 10:08:42 PM
Alan had his done too, I guess he was another unmeasurable :D
I now also have a set for Fin.
Come on Fred Post them or PM them I'm really interestred in seeing where I went wrong. :?
Quote from: rabbitangler on October 31, 2007, 11:06:10 AM
Come on Fred Post them or PM them I'm really interestred in seeing where I went wrong. :?
I'll do it this evening
draggin this wan oot !!! :) :) :) :)
Bit like my casting superscot
I'm happy to have mine put on the forum. I'm looking forward to seeing them all.
Unfortunately didn't get there but this machine sounds most interesting - might have known certain characters style was unmonitorable!!!!!. I'm surprised they didnae brake the machine!!!! LOL.
Sandy B.O.
As requested.
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John Doig's results are very good!
I think I should be the one who needed instruction! I'm blaming the bad leg for the results
Hi Paul
Compare Paul 1 and 2 and you can see what the gadget made of that.
Guys
Thing about this is most of us are casting unnaturally the first time we use the Casting Analyzer - until I got this thing I very rarely cast without hauling - now I practice it. To get a more accurate comparison means having the same rod and casting the same length of line used by the sampled experts - and they (actually more he) was casting not fishing.
Do that test on your own time and test again and again - and the benefits become clear. Smoother acceleration, neater more controlled backcast and slower tighter effortless forward cast. Then introduce hauling and you'll see what that does - for sure it adds linespeed and all that good stuff but it also masks niggling little issues.
If you want to see some really weird results I have those too - Fred obviously :P - but I've plenty where I use a more aggressive style used in distance casting - I showed some of you a bit of it on the day. The CA thinks it sucks - hmmm - well thats the style of backcast Paul Arden's using to hit 130ft with a #5 line. Have a look at the BFCC results http://uksf.sea-angler.org/bfcc/bfccresults.html - incidentally that gives you some idea of what can be done. Paul is one of the best distance casters in the world with a #5 line - he's fairly good casting short too!
If you'd like to see his style - http://www.sexyloops.com/movies/paulcast_oct07.mov - I suggest downloading - its a big clip.
Very acute question Mike. Simple answer - I don't know.
The CA was designed as a collaboration between a Prof. of Mechanical Engineering (Noel Perkins) and a leading FFF instructor (Bruce Richards.) The idea was to offer a diagnostic tool built on basic physics of casting - which sounds grand and not a little scary. As far as I can see it takes some knowledge of and interest in casting mechanics to explain what the reports mean - but it certainly doesn't need an expert to use it - just some practice - I'm working on that.
To my mind it may cause people to get interested in their casting and trying to improve. BUT it can't teach, demonstrate, explain or encourage. So I'd have to say instruction is still essential and a good instructor will find a CA helpful. It should mean that some of the really naff advice dished out as casting help is exposed as naff :D
Oh and it's a great leveler - the first time I tried it was with one of the most highly qualified UK instructors and an ex tournament champion - they both failed to record a backcast - so Fred's in good company :P
I wish I had had stopped playing with toys long enough to be analysed now. :
Quoteuntil I got this thing I very rarely cast without hauling - now I practice it. To get a more accurate comparison means having the same rod and casting the same length of line used by the sampled experts - and they (actually more he) was casting not fishing.
Do that test on your own time and test again and again - and the benefits become clear. Smoother acceleration, neater more controlled backcast and slower tighter effortless forward cast. Then introduce hauling and you'll see what that does - for sure it adds linespeed and all that good stuff but it also masks niggling little issues.
I think that probably sums my casting up too. Hauling being the be all and end all.
So do you reckon Magnus, that it is a case of "back to basics" for those of us who haul
and then to reintroduce the haul?
Alex
Hi Alex
It certainly does no harm. If you strip away the haul and cast a fixed line - trap the line don't hold it (see below) - you have the fundamental outfit. Its 'simply' then a matter of working on getting as smooth and easy as possible and making the sweetest loops possible. Practice curves, aerial mends (left and right and up and down), snake rolls and snaps. Throw in a bit of simple target practice - or more advanced target practice by insisting on having some slack between the rod and line and an accurate delivery.
Yes I know this all sound too serious, what can I say, I enjoy casting.
Then reintroduce the haul, or even more dramatic, take that well drilled stroke and set up a shooting head - damn distance gets easy :D
(If you hold the line in your hand and don't haul you will probably move your rod hand away from the line hand into the backcast and bring it closer in the forward cast. Separating the hands is a proto-haul - bringing them closer together is effectively reducing the load on the rod - not good!)
Magnus,
Thanks again for the analysis, the results will be useful for future improvement.
I can see how casting becomes addictive, where you are looking for the perfect cast and don't even mind about the fishing so much. However, that almost takes fly fishing to the same level as golf, so I'll stick with using casting improvements to catch more fish.
Cheers,
Doug.
Quote from: Magnus on November 01, 2007, 01:01:06 AM
- the first time I tried it was with one of the most highly qualified UK instructors and an ex tournament champion - they both failed to record a backcast - so Fred's in good company :P
I just knew I'd make a great instructor. :D
That movie clip clearly shows that distance casting and fishing casting are not the same thing. It appears to break just about all the rules – for example the horizontal rod on the backcast. The wrist action is interesting. It’s hard to see where the stop is
QuoteIf you strip away the haul and cast a fixed line - trap the line don't hold it (see below) - you have the fundamental outfit. Its 'simply' then a matter of working on getting as smooth and easy as possible and making the sweetest loops possible. Practice curves, aerial mends (left and right and up and down), snake rolls and snaps. Throw in a bit of simple target practice - or more advanced target practice by insisting on having some slack between the rod and line and an accurate delivery.
Yes I know this all sound too serious, what can I say, I enjoy casting.
I'm straying a bit from the thread here , but loosely connected...
I don't think that you take casting practice too seriously at all. Harelug and I go in for a bit of this during the winter, trying different presentation casts as mentioned, as well as reaching for the sky. Through watching the video I've identified faults with each of us. I probably still have these faults, but at least I know about them now :D
Alex