Saw this on Fly Forums
http://www.flyforums.co.uk/salmon-fishing/286680-vacancy-ghillie-dee-headinch-cambus-o%92may.html (http://www.flyforums.co.uk/salmon-fishing/286680-vacancy-ghillie-dee-headinch-cambus-o%92may.html)
Incidentally these salmo fishings people email me all the time for some reason and I think this may be the same "Greig" who was featured in a video about the South Esk going on about goosander predation. He seemed to believe goosanders are sea birds. These guys really should try to get the basic facts right if they want to be taken seriously.
I'm not sure about the ethics of this business of having the staff fishing to get the return numbers up either.
My perfect job, on my day off I would go trout fishing :D
I think we touched on this subject fairly recently. I get a good bit of fishing this way I wouldnt otherwise have a chance at, when they cant sell the rods, the gillie invites his pals (local rods he knows can fish) to fish so that any fish caught are included in catch returns. All rules are followed and I dont see any problem with this.
Quote from: Colliemore on March 07, 2013, 02:18:21 PM
All rules are followed and I dont see any problem with this.
Technically you are right of course, but I still feel it's a bit "sharp" to be honest. Yes the fish are still caught, but not by clients and perhaps that should be made clear?
They certainly shouldnt be hiding it and done openly in the correct spirit !
But I've heard from others of beats employing more under hand tactics or what would otherwise be called cooking the books.
Look on it like free advertising. They get catch returns for times that people don't think there are any fish in the river so they don't come. When they view the catch returns they see that there could be fish there so the rods might be sold the following year. It is a double edge sword though, the more fish caught the more they pay in sporting tax, not enough fish and no-body wants to pay for the fishing.
Not sure that I agree there Fred. Many times I've heard the complaint from guests "nae fish in that water, I want my money back". Demonstating that there are fish to be taken (by the methods allowed) on a regular basis is a key aspect of the business.
I think this is a regular occurrence on some beats of the Tay and I have encountered junior Ghillie's fishing 'to keep the catch returns up'. I suppose that they need to keep the punters coming somehow. If there are no rods out the fish are still there but people see no fish caught as no fish there (as opposed to nobody out fishing), clearly a fair bit of willy waving goes on between the beats as they try and get the required footfall of anglers and this seems to be based purely on the numbers caught.
On the other hand if you are getting the offer of free or greatly reduced fishing as Allan is it would be hard to knock back.
I have offered my services in this dept to a couple of the Tay guys but I am sure they take competence into account which would place me firmly at the bottom of the list :lol:
Mr S. T. Man is part of the salmo lot. You can go trophy hunting on lochy or arkaig (for a heavy fee of course), with the legend himself. Of course if you feel that you simply couldnt handle the awe of his presence you can buy a permit for about a tenner or hire a boat for around £40 and try it out yourself. Big bushy flies fished into the bank (Pretty much like everywhere else).
I am sooooo tempted to hire him for a days guiding and invite Fachan along for the craic, just to see how it went :lol:
Quote from: Inchlaggan on March 07, 2013, 02:40:51 PM
Many times I've heard the complaint from guests "nae fish in that water
Yes, but is that not due to too many of those salt water goosanders? :lol:
Clearly there are different views on the honesty / morality / transparency of this and that's fair enough, but what happens if the
ghillie repeatedly doesn't catch anything on these client-less days? Is he under pressure at pain of dismissal? That might go some way to explaining the rather unfortunate behavior Burnie experienced last year.
Quote from: Otter Spotter on March 07, 2013, 02:42:34 PM
Mr S. T. Man is part of the salmo lot. You can go trophy hunting on lochy or arkaig (for a heavy fee of course), with the legend himself. Of course if you feel that you simply couldnt handle the awe of his presence you can buy a permit for about a tenner or hire a boat for around £40 and try it out yourself. Big bushy flies fished into the bank (Pretty much like everywhere else).
I'm sure he was guided for that article because I recognized the boat which belongs to a local guide, I've spoken with this guy a few times we have similar boats and always talk boats!
Quote from: admin on March 07, 2013, 02:47:53 PM
Yes, but is that not due to too many of those salt water goosanders? :lol:
Clearly there are different views on the honesty / morality / transparency of this and that's fair enough, but what happens if the
ghillie repeatedly doesn't catch anything on these client-less days? Is he under pressure at pain of dismissal? That might go some way to explaining the rather unfortunate behavior Burnie experienced last year.
An interesting point Fred, the guys I refer to in my previous post WERE under pressure to get fish, 9-10pm at night (As I am fishing it at times to avoid the salmon anglers). Didnt think of that at the time though I just thought lucky gits getting to fish all day for a job, looking back they were probably desperate to get home for the day.
What happened to Burnie was a disgrace, it should be clients first and if the ghillie wants to follow fair enough. But it is a poor show and frankly dishonest if a paying client is fishing water that was hammered before he got there. That's the angle that troubles me about all this.
That was totally out of order, which beat was it anyway, I've heard a well known Tay gillie was famous for sending the guests away from the best spots so he could fish them and this guy has caught loads of salmon.
Quote from: Otter Spotter on March 07, 2013, 02:42:34 PM
Mr S. T. Man is part of the salmo lot.
I think they got my name through Fish Wild or perhaps it was by a personal recommendation from some of my old pals who cyber-stalk me on Fly Forums. Anyway I get no end of very tempting offers, always salmon fishing and sometimes for as little as £150 / day.
I've had personal experience of this chap as described long ago on another thread and I can honestly say I've never ever come across anyone so damn full of themselves, suffice to say I'd to hold the old man back as he was so bloody rude.
I've noticed his latest slaverings on another forum regarding ferox, the man knows everything about everything......what a guy !
Hoolet.
I have met 5 of these people who write / wrote for the magazines: Lesley Crawford was a very nice lady who loved her fishing, Bruce Sandison is an out and out gentleman who writes with skill and passion about the country he loves, Bob Wyatt was one of the most interesting people I have had the pleasure to share dinner and a few beers with, Stan Headley was imo rude to start with but ended up being OK and I respect him for that. The 5th I won't even mention, as I have not much good I can say about this person, so best to say nothing at all. :?
Quote from: admin on March 07, 2013, 09:18:29 PM
Stan Headley was imo rude to start with
My only encounter with the man - he was rude start to finish! He seems to know a lot about fishing fair enough, but I dont have much respect for him.
I have met equally or more knowledgeable people who have been happy to share that knowledge without ego or blatant self promotion.
Quote from: Otter Spotter on March 08, 2013, 10:38:09 AM
My only encounter with the man - he was rude start to finish! He seems to know a lot about fishing fair enough, but I dont have much respect for him.
I have met equally or more knowledgeable people who have been happy to share that knowledge without ego or blatant self promotion.
He comes over as an arrogant person, I think a lot of his knowledge as been gained from others, he talked as if HE MADE some sort of great discovery that large trout are regularly caught on fly out of Lochy and Arkaig, there is a complete club of anglers who knew that and could have told him so, Oh thats right they did tell him and thats why he was there, luckily he got an article out of it too!
As you can see from my photo !
Hoolet.
Quote from: Hoolet on March 08, 2013, 02:13:48 PM
As you can see from my photo !
Hoolet.
Yes cracker !