Came across this on one of my trawls :)
http://www.livestrong.com/article/457348-the-calories-burned-on-2-mile-hikes/ (http://www.livestrong.com/article/457348-the-calories-burned-on-2-mile-hikes/)
"For example, carrying a pack weighing 42 lbs/19 kgs. over rugged terrain burns about 776 calories per hour for the average male and about 665 calories per hour for the average female."
Get the weight of equipment down and take more food as weight for weight the food is needed more :)
exactly. we cut our gear down so much for one mountain marathon that we got chilled at the overnight. we never made that mistake again. extra noodles weigh virtually nothing and if you freeze a steak before your trip you get a rather grand meal for the overnight with no waste to carry out.
and of course your pack is that much lighter the next day :8)
When I car camped Dave I used to do that. First night was a frozen steak that had defrosted in the cool box, second night was cold meat that lasted a couple of days, breakfast was bacon, which could last a week as long as the temps didn't get too hot. I never thought to take anything like that when wild camping because of the weight factor of all that liquid :roll:
I understand this argument if you are out for a few days, but if its an overnight as most of us do then for me refreshment is the key, plenty liquids.
I have gone overnight with almost no calarific sustenance to speak of, keeping weight down to carry liquids (or kelly kettle to boil water).
I may be a bit peckish when i get home but for me that's far better than dehydration.
There's too much water in the lochs and burns for me to get dehydrated :8)
fair point till you gt the sxxxs from drinking in a loch with a dead sheep half a mile up the loch you didnt see
Quote from: johnny boy on June 01, 2017, 11:01:54 PM
fair point till you gt the sxxxs from drinking in a loch with a dead sheep half a mile up the loch you didnt see
I wonder about this as there is lots of conflicting info, does anyone know what the bottom line is?
I've drunk from lochs/burns for a long time with no problems but is it worth the risk?
Also I'm told that there is nothing in any UK water that is harmful to me that boiling won't kill - so even if there is a dead sheep and other stuff then if I boil my water I'm in the clear. Is this true?
Then we get to other risks - I strip my flyline over a cut in my finger or my hands are wet from the loch and I then rub my mouth. You could go on for ever and I honestly have no real idea of the actual risk.
Every hill walker and angler I know drinks out of burns on the hill. From hill lochs and streams the risk is probably very low and not like lowland rich pastures with high stocking densities and other pollutions. If there was any sort of significant risk we would surely all have had lectures about it long since. Common sense applies. If it is fresh and sparkling I would drink it !
Quote from: johnny boy on June 01, 2017, 11:01:54 PM
fair point till you gt the sxxxs from drinking in a loch with a dead sheep half a mile up the loch you didnt see
I don't know how many times I have drunk from a loch or burn only to find a deid thing farther along. I have never, in thirty or so years, had a tummy upset or the s***s, nor has it done me any harm, in all that time :craz2 I mean drinking it straight with no boiling or additives. Am I lucky, or, as my family tell me, I have a cast iron stomach? :)
I have drank water all over the UK from the Fens to the Hampshire Avon, not done me any h.................................................
The one thing I do though is cover the mouth of my water bottle with my fingers to seal it before sinking it below the surface of the loch then slowly open them so that the water is partly filtered before going into the bottle. I also check to see how much foreign bodies are floating in it before drinking :) From a burn I take the water from overfalls or fast flowing areas that are deep enough to get the bottle under the surface.
It may be the case elsewhere that dead things are not often found in lochs but the first thing i was told when i started fishing was dont drink from the loch.
This may be largely due to the number of sheep we had back then as wherever you fished, sheep were present and you always saw their remains floating in a wee bay when out and about.
Still 20+ years later i live by that addege, by the way I do consider flowing water far safer and will drink from it with no worries but my concerns on still water (lochs) remain.
Things die in lochs all the time although most of them we don't see or know about. What is the difference between the loch water and the water in the burn running out of it? My mate is the same, he wont drink loch water but thinks nothing of walking to the burn and filling his bottle there and drinking it. When I ask him what the difference is he says it is flowing water. It is the same water flowing or not :)
In a loch, if something is dead 20 yards away its likely the water around is polluted and will remain so for a while, the water is not moving so therefore the contamination is relatively contained.
Flowing water from a loch will generally be free from bacteria after a small period of time, unless dead thing is in the outflow.
On the probability of chance i am willing to take risk on flowing water, less so on still water.
At the end of the day we could reasonably say that only tap water is safe as its been refined for our consumption, so those of us who decide to drink elsewhere do at our risk.
Quote from: johnny boy on June 02, 2017, 03:55:59 PM
In a loch, if something is dead 20 yards away its likely the water around is polluted and will remain so for a while, the water is not moving so therefore the contamination is relatively contained.
Flowing water from a loch will generally be free from bacteria after a small period of time, unless dead thing is in the outflow.
On the probability of chance i am willing to take risk on flowing water, less so on still water.
At the end of the day we could reasonably say that only tap water is safe as its been refined for our consumption, so those of us who decide to drink elsewhere do at our risk.
First of all I would never drink from a stagnant pool of water. Loch water is seldom stagnant. Cast a line out and stand and watch it and, even in a flat calm, it moves. In a breeze more so. The currents can flow upwind, downwind, in circles and along the bank against the wind on occasion, so it is seldom 'not moving'. I seldom drink water from the tap without something in it and even then it smells like bleach, and on its own or not boiled, tastes like it too. I live in Lanarkshire which at one time had the softest, purist water in the country, up until 'they' made it 'healthy' by adding chemicals to it. At one time you could breed Discus in water straight from the tap, not any more. I know Discus breeders who sued the water company when they lost a load of their breeding stock when they made the changes. Water from the loch is purer than the water from your tap :)
Quote from: Element on June 02, 2017, 09:49:47 PM
... had to look up what Discus were... :roll:
E.
I also did thought it was a form of algae :lol:
Quote from: Element on June 02, 2017, 09:49:47 PM
... had to look up what Discus were...
Spectacular fish. I used to have some back in my aquarium days. I'm sure they die out of spite. :lol:
(http://aquariuminfo.org/images/717px-Blue_Discus.jpg)
Always drank loch water, never done me any harm , if your really concerned a steripen for about 40 quid sorts all these issues
Quote from: admin on June 02, 2017, 10:06:34 PM
Spectacular fish. I used to have some back in my aquarium days. I'm sure they die out of spite. :lol:
(http://aquariuminfo.org/images/717px-Blue_Discus.jpg)
I tried a few times to keep them but they are notoriously difficult to keep and even harder to breed. The water requirements need to be spot on or they just go into decline and keel over. I preferred the Blue Acara or Kribensis for breeding, much easier :)
I used to have Malawi and Tanganyikan cichlids too Sandy. Easier to keep, but some of them were very aggressive and fought a lot among themselves. Very colourful fish.