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Title: Crap Flies
Post by: Malcolm on December 17, 2007, 11:13:09 PM
So we've all got our favourites but there's some flies out there that are totally crap. They might work brilliantly for your buddy but for you they're as much use as tits on a bull. Here's mine:

Pheasant tail nymph
Anything with fluorescent green in it.

Malcolm 
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: Wildfisher on December 17, 2007, 11:14:27 PM
Any fly with Peter or Ross in it  :D
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: drumgerry on December 18, 2007, 11:15:01 AM
Is it not just "DEE-OL"?  That's how I imagine it anyway but I don't speak welsh funnily enough so I'm probably completely wrong.  As to flies - partridge and orange spider - could never get that to work for me.

Gerry
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: sandyborthwick on December 18, 2007, 11:24:44 AM
Floating snail, pure Sh*te as far as I'm concerned never even had a fish look at it.

Sandy B.O.
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: scotfly on December 18, 2007, 11:38:09 AM
Almost anything tied on a metal hook  :oops:
Particularly a Diawl (Dee-owl) Bach and the Karens Nymph!
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: just_steven on December 18, 2007, 12:36:38 PM
The Alexandria, Teal Blue and Silver, Detached Body Daddy, and Allan's Pink Hedgehog!  8)

Steve
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: garryh on December 18, 2007, 08:00:48 PM
many years ago word spread about an old guy taking good bags of browns from lilithgow loch on a grouse & green.of course everyone rushed of and bought grouse & greens( this was in the days before tying your own was as popular as now).so with almost everyone fishing the loch using the alledged killer and only the odd trout being caught on it the g&g was dismissed as a crap fly.as i was still at school and didn't have that many flies i continued to use it but it was still a crap fly.one day during the school holidays i was fishing away when an old guy came along and asked how i was doing.not a thing i replied.have you tried a grouse &green asked the man,Ive had one on all day i replied.let me see flees son ,when he looked at them he took his fag out of his mouth and burnt the wing and the tail of the grouse&green and told me to move it to the tail of my cast.to cut a long story short i ended up with six fish all on that fly.looking back i can see he had turned it into a sedge pupa ,as he packed up at the end of the night he shouted keep it tae yersel son.i have to admit i did keep it a secret for a while .BUT THE GROUSE &GREEN IS A CRAP FLY

       cheers Garry
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: haresear on December 18, 2007, 08:18:38 PM
Ke-He on lochs and its cousin the Red Tag on rivers for grayling have never done well for me. Mind you, I never use them anymore, so it is hardly surprising.

Alex
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: HUMUNGUS on December 19, 2007, 01:19:53 PM
Diawl Bach & Black Pennel.
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: Harpo on December 19, 2007, 01:32:35 PM
Quote from: HUMUNGUS on December 19, 2007, 01:19:53 PM
Diawl Bach & Black Pennel.


My Dad fished a lot in the seventies in hill lochs up north and he said he always had a Black Pennel on the bob and it caught most of his Fish.

As for me I can't get to grips with Nymphs in the rivers
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: Gander on December 20, 2007, 03:29:48 PM
Dabblers - Can't do a thing with them.  :(
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: zeolite on December 21, 2007, 08:17:22 AM
The worst flies are the ones that don't get wet. I have lots of those unfortunately.  :(
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: .D. on December 22, 2007, 06:08:54 PM
DHE

C'mon, let's stop pretendin.....! :biglaugh;


.D.
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: haresear on December 22, 2007, 07:42:06 PM
Quoteyellow sally has anybody ever caught a fish on that

I've had lots of fish from lochs on the yellow sally in Sutherland around the end of May. I remember one day in particular when at Kinbrace and the wind dropped, the sun came out and the sallies started hatching. The trout went crazy for them.

Alex
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: haresear on December 22, 2007, 07:56:09 PM
QuoteJammy bugger! breac uaig

I think the wind only dropped once all week. We had no drogue and a very dodgy outboard which I eventually beat to death with a hammer in retaliation for nearly killing us a few times over the years, notably on lochs Rimsdale and Sionascaig.

Alex
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: haresear on December 22, 2007, 10:07:19 PM
QuoteMost flies ive seen called yellow sally are fully hackled  dries which look more likely they were made to imitate the yellow Maydun rather than the yellow sally which is a stonefly

A good point Col. The fly I was referring to is the yellow stonefly, although I've caught fish (not many) on yellow May duns too and I know Buzz did well with them this year.

Alex

Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: Wildfisher on December 22, 2007, 10:12:36 PM
I have seen decent  hatches of yellow may duns on the  Don but nothing taking them (nothing new there then)  also saw a few  on the Tirry last season that were being taken. I had heard that fish often refuse these. Anyone else have any experience of this?
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: .D. on December 22, 2007, 10:39:29 PM
Quote from: admin on December 22, 2007, 10:12:36 PM
............ I had heard that fish often refuse these. Anyone else have any experience of this?

I have seen them pass unmolested - but they're so easy (for us) to see. On a lot of waters they aren't hugely abundant, or at least don't offer a big hatch ( though I gather this is not the case on the Clyde, for example). So, if there's just the odd one coming off, and they're so conspicuous to us it isn't that surprising that they've been accorded that reputation. Even if it isn't valid. I think it's a bit of a clich?. Why wouldn't fish eat them - the same waters invariably support Yellow Sallies too: so it cannot be a colour thing.

The other thing is, they're reputed (at least in part) to moult into duns beneath the water. That may also add to their reputation for limited surface sport.

.D.
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: haresear on December 22, 2007, 10:53:50 PM
QuoteThe other thing is, they're reputed (at least in part) to moult into duns beneath the water. That may also add to their reputation for limited surface sport.


I had read that too and assumed that the trout don't switch on to them as they are not on the water for long, but who knows?

I remember one day getting a couple of Clyde fish which were positively targetting the YMD. The funny thing is, these two fish seemed to be ignoring all the other flies which their pals in the same run were feasting on, whilst their pals were on the medium olives or whatever and ignoring the YMD :? As Bob Wyatt would say, "Go figure".

It just goes to show I suppose, that not all of the fish are feeding on the same stuff and that if we use our powers of observation we have a better chance of catching those fish.

Alex
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: Wildfisher on December 23, 2007, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: .D. on December 22, 2007, 06:08:54 PM
DHE
C'mon, let's stop pretendin.....! :biglaugh;

I seem to remember that one of Bob's plus points for this fly was that it was easier to tie than Klinks or other parachutes. I have to say that after a bit of practice I don't find that tying a Klink is any more difficult than tying a DHE and poorly tied  Klink is more likely to fish the right way up than a  poorly tied DHE.
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: drumgerry on December 23, 2007, 10:59:58 AM
Totally agree Fred.  Once you get in the groove with Klinks they're a cinch to tie.  But I still have a problem getting DHE wing proportions just right.  DHE has been a great fly for me though.  It's given me many a good day the last couple of years.

Cheers

Gerry
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: Highlander on December 23, 2007, 02:10:35 PM
There are no crap flies, only fly fisherman that cannae use them correctly.
:lol:
Tight Lines

Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: haresear on December 23, 2007, 02:40:12 PM
QuoteThere are no crap flies, only fly fisherman that cannae use them correctly

Okay, it's a fair cop :lol:

alex
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: .D. on December 23, 2007, 09:39:25 PM
Quote from: Highlander on December 23, 2007, 02:10:35 PM
There are no crap flies, only fly fisherman that cannae use them correctly.
:lol:
Tight Lines



That Peter Ross dude must've been some fisherman  :lol:.

.D.
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: Highlander on December 29, 2007, 12:25:26 PM
This one for .D. & you other heathen unbelievers.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f233/Algie123/peteross.jpg)

Merry Xmas
:D
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: .D. on December 29, 2007, 07:17:04 PM
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u178/_d_07/36_2_551.gif)
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: Highlander on December 31, 2007, 12:44:25 AM
As I said one for the heathens & unbelievers......I rest my case.
Tight Lines
PS Wee bri nice idea I will tie up a few with the method you suggest
Title: Re: Crap Flies
Post by: Highlander on December 31, 2007, 08:47:15 PM
You forgot chancers, romancers & ballrooom dancers.
:D
Tight Lines