Fishing the Don yesterday in a fierce downstream wind with the double handler I came frighteningly close to wearing a very attractive Willie Gunn earring once or twice. I realised it was time to do something about this.
The double spey cast seems a bit convoluted and they say you can achieve much the same result with the snake roll.
Even I managed it after reading this, OK not brilliantly perhaps but a good starting point. Worth a look.
http://www.speypages.com/Mastering_the_Snake_Part_One_SP.pdf
Oh, and I caught nothing by the way.....................
Is this it Fred?
Right click and zoom for full screen as it is a very small frame and not easily seen :)
http://www.speypages.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/219/cat/2/si/snake%20roll/perpage/12
this shows it well
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BQDfnsSut3U&feature=related
That looks like a standard roll cast which moves straight into a second roll? Maybe I'm just not seeing it right? I thought it was a complicated beast when I looked at the video on sexy loops some time back and decided I couldn't think of a use for it. So forgot about it.
http://www.sexyloops.com/movies/snakeroll.shtml
I think that SL video is just a bit of trick casting. He seems to be drawing several 9?s before executing the forward cast. Looks good though, he is one mean caster.
Here are another few vids
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ai5vvug4AoQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ydAa-qe9wv8
fred
its well worth learning as it is much better than the double spey. never really used it much for the troots though
paul
Quote from: Jedi on October 19, 2008, 10:03:48 PM
The old boy who I tailed a for salmon on the Deveron on Monday ended his day early with a trip to casualty with an Ally's Shrimp through his bottom lip :(
Aye Jim, it can be a dangerous business salmon fly casting. Getting a size 14 greenwells stuck in you is one thing, a size 6 double Willie Gunn is another thing altogether.
I remember getting the treble of a big Toby impaled in my thumb on the Don. 7.00AM and not a chance of getting the doctor. I cut it out with a Stanley knife, wrapped a rag round it and carried on fishing. Martin was with me. He was only about 10 at the time and was really worried when he saw the mess and blood everywhere. I was more worried about putting him off fishing.
Just thinking about it makes we wince. It was my own fault for spinning, bloody painful divine retribution.
Fred,
I thought that SL video was the snake roll. just looked again and realised its not a real SR, the link was emailed to me by a "friend" as a cast to try!
He's caught me Hook line and sinker the dirty B....
The snake roll is one cast I use very often. It is great for dealing with heavy nymphs and also for just aerialising the line before going into a back cast. Great for changing direction. Just remember to keep the line downwind of you at all times, otherwise it can go tits up badly and end with a trip to hospital.
Alex
Single handed rod
First time I saw this cast I hadn't started fishing rivers, so, discounted it.
However, saw a guy using it last week on the Cart, and it seemed the perfect way of lifting of after a fished drift, that is, until he did the off the shoulder version :D
Asked him if it was OK to watch for a bit, and logged the direction depending on which shoulder:
3 - 9o'clock/anticlockwise off his right, and 9 - 3/clockwise off his left.
During the wee gusty bits on Sunday on the Clyde, had a wee go at the anticlockwise version - I was facing upstream, on the right bank, fishing up and across to the left bank.
The wind prevented the "kiss" getting as close to me as I would've preferred, but it really is a fantastic way to get the line back up for a backcast and back over to the target.
The fly was getting caught at the top now and then though, any thoughts ?.
Thanks,
Tony
QuoteThe wind prevented the "kiss" getting as close to me as I would've preferred, but it really is a fantastic way to get the line back up for a backcast and back over to the target.
The fly was getting caught at the top now and then though, any thoughts ?.
It's hard to say without seeing it Tony. Were you doing a "proper" snake roll - I mean allowing the D loop to form fully, with an "anchor" on the water? If your fly was catching, it sounds like it was flipping up because the anchor wasn't long enough?
A tip for this cast is - the larger the change of direction, the bigger the circle/oval you need to draw in the air.
Alex
Quote from: zoomer on May 20, 2009, 01:05:47 AM
christ alex you must be telepathic.
telepathetic more like :)
Alex
Hello Alex,
Quote from: haresear on May 20, 2009, 01:03:34 AM
It's hard to say without seeing it Tony. Were you doing a "proper" snake roll - I mean allowing the D loop to form fully, with an "anchor" on the water? If your fly was catching, it sounds like it was flipping up because the anchor wasn't long enough?
A tip for this cast is - the larger the change of direction, the bigger the circle/oval you need to draw in the air.
THanks to the kind man that posted this before, this was the one I watched before I left
http://jpflyfishing.com/videos/index.htm - Single Handed Techniques video
The off the opp shoulder one was the one I tried.
Going over the movements earlier today, I reckon the "e" wasn't big enough as you say, and I suspect I was dropping the rod tip into the "snake" rather than keeping the tip up, if that makes sense ?, it did before I typed it :D
There's Klingons on the starboard bow, so hopefully make it out tomorrow to test them, and get a wee swish and flick whilst sliding over algae covered rocks ... :D
Again, thanks,
Tony
p.s. Feb 2010 - just rub it in why don't you ... :lol:
Hello Zoomer,
Quote from: zoomer on May 20, 2009, 01:04:15 AM
dont know if this will work but.....have a look at the angle change.
MANY thanks for that, I predict more ruined tapered leaders in the days ahead :D
Quote from: zoomer on May 20, 2009, 01:17:30 AM
not a snake roll but i found this in the same place, its possible to lift more line than a normal spey with the snap, who says weight forward lines cast further :o
Aha, hadn't thought of a snap T used like that, thanks again, I think :lol:
Tony
I was shown how to snake roll last season on the Ness and was surprised by how easy it is, not saying I'm a great caster but it looks more difficult than it is, I find it as easy if not easier than single spey.