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Title: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Crawhin on November 18, 2011, 12:19:31 AM
Saw quite a number of these large (6 - 8" across) fungi at the weekend. I'm useless at mushroom identification so left them well alone but has anyone got a positive ID on them and did I miss out on a gourmet treat?!  :?

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Cheers,

Ian 
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: superscot on November 18, 2011, 02:53:27 AM
I  even bought a book on them ....still canny pick them wild when you hear the horror stories 
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Wildfisher on November 18, 2011, 01:57:38 PM
Very few are seriously poisonous, many are inedible, some are hallucinogenic.  :hippy

I don't bother, simply  because I find the ordinary white field mushrooms  you can buy the best tasting and honestly find fungi in general pretty overrated and hardly worth the effort.
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Darwin on November 18, 2011, 04:09:43 PM
I don't know what those are and would be very cautious.  They don't look like any I have used/purchased or see in the markets or from purveyors.
Looks like a very nice area for a long walk.  :D
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Harpo on November 18, 2011, 05:50:06 PM
They're probably parasols or similar but they key word to that statement is "probably"

There is a great book called "mushrooming without fear"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=mushrooming+without+fear&tag=googhydr-21&index=stripbooks&hvadid=5871410889&ref=pd_sl_6owfin5416_b (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=mushrooming+without+fear&tag=googhydr-21&index=stripbooks&hvadid=5871410889&ref=pd_sl_6owfin5416_b)

it teaches you how to identify  3 or 4 of the best tasting mushrooms available which are co-incidently very different to the deadly ones.
So if you follow the book you will never pick a dangerous mushroom, however it also teaches you to avoid simple field mushrooms as they have "gilled" cousins which will harm and indeed kill you.

Porcini/Ceps are the ones to look for (but so does every one else) - the difference between them and the cultivated is huge.

i'll look a book out and try and identify what you have in the photo

PS _ i just checked my book and can't be sure, you need to see the underneath as well as the top to be sure.

Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Inchlaggan on November 18, 2011, 06:00:22 PM
I'd agree with parasols, but without being there this does not constitute advice.
A key feature is the ring around the stem, visible in the one at the back, this becomes detached and can be moved up and down.
IF, IF, IF they are parasols they make good eating.
BUT,BUT, BUT they can be confused with another species which is, of course, poisonous!
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: burnie on November 18, 2011, 10:28:37 PM
http://www.first-nature.com/fungi/index.php (http://www.first-nature.com/fungi/index.php)

This might help,I don't eat them so no expert,if you want to go foraging for wild food,I always carry "Food for free" by Richard Mabey,great little book for your pocket.
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Black-Don on November 18, 2011, 11:31:43 PM
Quote from: admin on November 18, 2011, 01:57:38 PM
Very few are seriously poisonous, many are inedible, some are hallucinogenic.  :hippy


Jeezus, I used to think these one's were good to eat

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR2iNfTu4ZfzQdkj-78dzzfUmLeV-KR99KCMWEA23O28T2gv-er)

Then I realised they were  :shock: :shock: :shock:
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: River Chatter on November 19, 2011, 08:59:19 AM
Don't know much about wild mushrooms - other than the kids at my secondary school collected them from the local park at lunchtime (can't imagine why!) - but just wanted to congratulate you on a cracking picture.  They look massive in the pic - almost other worldly... although that might just be my breakfast mushy's talking.  :) 
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Wildfisher on November 19, 2011, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: River Chatter on November 19, 2011, 08:59:19 AM
but just wanted to congratulate you on a cracking picture

I'll second that.

UFMs 

Unidentified Flying Mushrooms!  :D :D
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Traditionalist on November 19, 2011, 02:01:53 PM
Pretty sure they are "Shaggy Parasols";

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaggy_parasol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaggy_parasol)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasol_mushroom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasol_mushroom)

They can vary quite widely;
https://www.google.com/search?q=shaggy+parasol+mushroom&hl=en&sa=G&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=0KfHTvnNM4_qOb_rzccP&ved=0CFgQsAQ&biw=1277&bih=758 (https://www.google.com/search?q=shaggy+parasol+mushroom&hl=en&sa=G&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=0KfHTvnNM4_qOb_rzccP&ved=0CFgQsAQ&biw=1277&bih=758)

A friend of mine likes to eat them, along with some others which are actually considered toxic!  He reckons they add flavour!   He is 83 and has been eating the stuff all his life without any problems. However, very great care must be taken when collecting fungi to eat. If you are the least bit uncertain then don't eat them!

http://www.alanmuskat.com/articles/parasol2.htm (http://www.alanmuskat.com/articles/parasol2.htm)

TL
MC
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Crawhin on November 19, 2011, 10:39:13 PM
Cheers for all the pointers lads - parasols (Macrolepiota procera) looks right enough. If so, the stems are said to be fibrous and inedible and the caps tasty but not quite in the shitake or portobello taste league. They were pretty large (up to 6" across) and dramatic perched up above the sea cliff. Will need to bear the location in mind for a bit of a nature ramble come next autumn  :8)  :D

Ian
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Black-Don on November 19, 2011, 11:59:38 PM
Since seeing Hugh Fearnly Whittingstall, I've always fancied collecting some wild mushrooms but it's amazing how some which seem edible can actually be quite dangerous. I remeber seeing some which I thought were Chicken of the Woods but when I checked them out they were a poisonous variety !

Can anyone identify this one I saw on the banks of the Endrick ?

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd95/guest/Endrick002.jpg)

Please don't tell me it's bracket fungus as I could've had some very nice amadou if it was  :(

Great thread and photot's BTW. I find the topic of wild mushrooms v. interesting  :8)
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Traditionalist on November 20, 2011, 12:08:17 AM
The reason amadou is so called, is that this is the French name for the fungus from which it is obtained. If you find this fungus, then the amadou can be found inside it. The fungus should be soaked for at least a week, and then pressed, or ( carefully!) hammered flat. The amadou can then be cut off in strips with a sharp knife. This fungus is often confused with "Birch bracket", which has no amadou in it.

As noted, the Amadou is obtained from a fungus which grows on trees. The horse shoe, or tinder bracket fungus, Fomes fomentarius. It was commercially processed at one time for a number of things, one of which was tinder for flintlocks, and similar( the fungus was soaked in urine, which contians nitrates, or directly in various other solutions, and then dried, making it highly flammable), and the other was as a styptic. For stilling blood, by dentists etc. It is the best drying agent bar none for dry flies, most especially CDC flies, and I would not like to be without a piece in my fishing jacket. It can be difficult to obtain nowadays, and is usually expensive. The raw fungus is not common everywhere, ( there is a great deal of it in the woods around my home however!:)), and it is quite difficult to prepare or use.

Much of the stuff offered for sale to anglers as "amadou", is not amadou at all. I have seen all sorts of stuff. Prepared Amadou looks like a piece of dry washleather when dry, is brittle, and must be handled carefully, or it will disintegrate. Prior to use, it must be soaked, and then gently pressed out ( do not wring!). It will remove moisture, slime, etc from dry flies immediately, simply by pressing these between the amadou.

Nowadays some very good microfibre cloths are available which are just as good as amadou. They work on the same principle of micropores.

For absolutely perfect results, the amadou should be used in conjunction with a small canister of ground silica gel ( This is the small beads of stuff, usually packaged in small sachets, used to prevent moisture in computer packaging etc). Crush the beads in a soft cloth using a hammer. Or use a coffee grinder. ( I use the same coffee grinder which I use for making dubbing, a Krups 75).

To use, put the fly in the container ( 35mm can), and shake it. It will be returned to its former pristine glory almost immediately. Treat with floatant if required ( NOT CDC!!!).

More extensive info and pictures;

http://www.capnfishy.co.uk/resources/Articles/amadou.htm (http://www.capnfishy.co.uk/resources/Articles/amadou.htm)

TL
MC
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Harpo on November 20, 2011, 01:01:07 AM
Quote from: guest on November 19, 2011, 11:59:38 PM
I've always fancied collecting some wild mushrooms but it's amazing how some which seem edible can actually be quite dangerous.

Hi Don, have  look at the book i mentioned earlier it really does make it safe by keeping you well away from the dangerous

mind you i haven't found anything yet "!
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: BuanĂ¡n on November 21, 2011, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Crawhin on November 18, 2011, 12:19:31 AM
Saw quite a number of these large (6 - 8" across) fungi at the weekend. I'm useless at mushroom identification so left them well alone but has anyone got a positive ID on them and did I miss out on a gourmet treat?!  :?

[attachimg=1]

Cheers,

Ian 

They look like panther caps to me, maybe not, but maybe yes. If so, deadly, if not possibly quite tasty?????? Death on toast IMO........ 
Title: Re: Mushrooms or Toadstools / Lovely Supper Ingredient or Death on Toast?!
Post by: Inchlaggan on November 21, 2011, 12:51:20 PM
Make up your own mind!
Parasol
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Panther Cap
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