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Must be a great sense of relief for all concerned. Amazing just how far the current / weather will take you in such a short time!
Good that they were fond. The sea is a frighteningly dangerous place.
I can assure you that the earth's magnetic field didn't do anything unexpected. I would be one of the first to know!
I know the young lads father pretty well, and I can gaurentee there will be one big party in Bervie and Gourdon tonight
Glad they were found
QuoteI'm at a loss as to how a compass can "stop working"
I was thinking that too.
Had they no means of comunication? Phone, VHF radio,flares
Strange one.
Tight Lines
PS. Don't hear much about the lost plane now, that too is an even stranger one.
Wonderful news, indeed!
Great news - drifted 46 miles !!!
I hope the father had the biscuits - the son could maybe have done without for a day or two!!!
I think the fog was down it certainly was out with us glad they made it was starting to think they hadn't
Real glad they got back safe. I have very little knowledge of boats but can't believe they didn't have any radio or other equipment. They said on the news that their after another boat surely theyll invest in some navigational equipment too :shock:
Or look for a career change :lol:
Yes it's great they are safe, but let's be honest now we know they are a pair of irresponsible numpties. No GPS, no radio, no compass or the complete inability to use it. If this was bunch of hill walkers going out that badly equipped and untrained and getting lost they would be condemned outright.
Quotesaid on the news that their after another boat
Apparently as Fachan stated their boat sank whilst being towed.
And the younger one had forgot his phone.
You just can not write these scripts can you.
:roll:
I think that is being too hard on them, sounds like the grandfather has been doing it all his life, easy to sit at a keyboard and criticise. Maybe complacent but then if your used to doing something often how many times do you have to do it until one day you make a mistake? It was a craft designed to be used with in sight of land so doesn't have the equipment of a bigger boat and no doubt he'll have been caught out in the fog before and relied on his compass to get him back, this time it let him down. I expect they had similar weather to us over the last few days and its been cold out here with winds over 40 knots from the north so along with some luck they still did well to survive and in good humour from the sound of it! As for the boat sinking, 16ft open top over 40 miles out being towed back by a lifeboat, not really surprising it sank just glad the guys didn't go down with it and it ended happily because it was looking like another fatally especially as the search had been called off.
When things go wrong, its not just the big things that go wrong but there is nearly always a string of little things that went wrong in the lead up, for them the day might have been very different if they had not forgotten his phone ?
I've certainly made that mistake a few times.
QuoteI think that is being too hard on them, sounds like the grandfather has been doing it all his life, easy to sit at a keyboard and criticise.
Being hard on them? I do not think so.
I for one am only reporting what I read in todays newspaper, so have they got it all wrong ?.
It is reported in more than one paper.
1. The boy had forgot his phone
2. That there was no VHF radio,no flares in fact no safety comunication equipment of any kind.
They were a commercial fishing unit all be it in a small boat so where was the required kit or is there no required kit? Surely there must be a minimum kit that should be stored aboad a commercial boat. Yes/No
If that is indeed the case that there was nothing then as Fred says a couple of numpties.
Complacent? I think not foolhardy to the extreme is my take on it. Sorry but there you go.
And how the hell did the boat sink? There was no apparent damage was there.
Daily Record quotes they had two flares, so apologies for that error if indeed the case.
At least they are safe & well
Quote from: Highlander on May 23, 2014, 01:27:50 PM
Being hard on them? I do not think so.
I don't think so either. My cousin has a boat in Arbroath harbour, not a commercial vessel, just his hobby. He stays in inshore waters too. It has radio, echo sounder, GPS ..............
In a past life he was a commercial fisherman, he knows the sea and its dangers.
Quote from: Element on May 23, 2014, 09:07:09 PM
Good news locally but its a probably a foregone conclusion about the other 4 in the mid Atlantic; doubt they survived... The sea is not forgiving and should never be underestimated.
E.
Looks as though they capsized with no chance of deploying the life raft.
Wonder what happened to damage the hull of the yacht ?
The unpredictable nature of the sea is clearly demonstrated.
The guys with every bit of kit and the knowledge and experience to use it are lost, but the two with a "compass that stopped working" are saved.
Quote from: Inchlaggan on May 24, 2014, 09:27:57 AM
The unpredictable nature of the sea is clearly demonstrated.
The guys with every bit of kit and the knowledge and experience to use it are lost, but the two with a "compass that stopped working" are saved.
Bit of a difference in location between the two.
As for the yacht heard an interview with one of the wife's on tv, one of the experienced guys longest journey before this was from Inverness to Bergen and nothing else ! Though to be honest I'm sure they were capable enough maybe one of the others had the real experience, the yacht was certainly kitted out well enough. Just wondering if they ran into something hence the damage and taking on water, it must have happened quickly as they didn't get a chance to go to liferaft ?
In the North East according to the BBC the old guy had 60 years experience going out in creel boats and I know the weather out here this last week has been unseasonably cold, I'm not sure how much of the gales they got as I'm a lot further north but its been more like January than May. Gales from the North will get a big swell going which I think might be what cause the boat to sink on tow behind the life boat ??? My father inlaw will probably know all the details as he controls the rescues when I next speak to him.
Quote from: Inchlaggan on May 24, 2014, 09:27:57 AM
a "compass that stopped working" are saved.
I once had one that stopped working, the sharp pointy bit broke off. Perhaps that's what happened. :D
Quote from: borderbob on May 24, 2014, 08:40:08 PM
Stop being so technical :?
Sorry Bob I had to be otherwise you might have thought it was the pencil that broke. :D
(http://www.maritimebookshop.co.uk/store/media/ecom/prodsm/brass_pencil_compass.jpg)
:D :D
Seriously though - it seems to me that many very expensive yachts break apart or their keels drop off and so on whilst out round-the-worlding or whatever. Carbon fibre catamarans seem vulnerable despite costing millions and being so-called state-of-the-art in boat building techniques and miracle materials.
I got the low-down last week from my cousin Tam on just what the local east coast fishing community thinks about this and also why their boat may have sunk whilst under tow from the life boat. I wont be posting it. :lol:
I imagine the High tech boats of today are design to operate at the limits of the materials in order to minimise weight and maximise speed. the availability of high end computing has allowed refinement of design well beyond what was achievable even twenty years ago.
This means that there will be less reserve strength in todays top end hulls and tend to break when older design would have rolled with the punches.
I would shy away from the notion of "less reserve strength" if I was planning to be in the mid-Atlantic or anywhere else a long way from shore !! Cutting edge in racing car design now means you can tumble through the air at 120mph and walk away with scuff marks on your shoulder pads and a scratch on your helmet. A bit better than the arse falling out of your boat.